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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, I'm being honest about this.

    Please be honest back. How many times have you walked up to a total stranger and called that person a name based on an obvious physical attribute or ethnicity since you've been an adult?

    I also wouldn't call someone a "Native American". I don't meet someone named "Vito Minelli" and say "Hey, an Italian!". Do you? If I meet someone with an obvious British accent, I don't say "Hey Limey" or "Hey Brit". Do you?
    In answer to your question, I wouldn't.

    You are being honest when you take the OP to be about name calling rather than about making the choice between using Native American or redskin? You really think the OP was referring to name calling?
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Between friends is fine as you all know where the line is however it's silly to then use that line with other people who you do not know and may react differently.
    Of course not I wouldn't use it with other people. Like I said I've been called wedita so many times it's almost like a nickname at this point, however I do know when someone is saying it as like an affectionate term rather then some person I don't know who is trying to be insulting. There is a difference. I do think redskins is a slur and I don't really agree with it as a name for a national football team.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, the OP gave the context he was referring to by mentioning the "other poll".
    The OP provided little to no "context" to the situation, and the "other poll" provided little else since the "other slur" provides no context either in terms of how or when someone would be saying it to someone else but simply is asking if it's a slur.

    So the TINY bit of "Context" the OP gave still presented zero context to the situation in question. So the only context was a situation where you're face to face with a native american, and that's it. This massive lack of context has naturally led people to have to provide for the various situations where such situations may occur.

    Was the other poll talking about situations where you "address" people by their racial designation instead of their name?
    The "other poll" simply asked if it's a slur or not. The other poll didn't address situations, it asked a question in an ABSOLUTE form as to whether or not the word is a slur.

    It is more about the scenario where it happens to come to mind, and you had the choice between using it or using the word Native American, would you use 'redskin'?
    So the "context"...and by "context" I mean the part you made up and applied to it and acted like everyone else should have done the same....is we're supposed to answer something based on a situation that would potentially never occur for us?

    Shall I start a poll "If you saw a badger would you **** it" and then have you come in to "explain" the context to people that I'm really asking that if you're in a scenario where yo'ure sexually attracted to a badger, and thus have a desire to **** it, THEN would you **** it.

    Whether or not the word is something that I'd routinely use or think to use as a means of describing native americans is ENTIRELY relevant to whether or not I'd use hte word to someones face, which is the ONLY context this post gave. Whether or not the word is something that is outdated and generally not used in common social conversatoin now is ENTIRELY relevant to whether or not I'd use the word to someones face, which is the ONLY context the post gave. I'm sorry that you want to magically gin up context out of thin air and demand everyone just accept it...especially when said context is asking a hypothetical that is unrealistic and ridiculous on the surface....but that's not how things work.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    In answer to your question, I wouldn't.

    You are being honest when you take the OP to be about name calling rather than about making the choice between using Native American or redskin? You really think the OP was referring to name calling?
    I wouldn't call someone who is a Navajo "Native American" either. If I met someone from a Navajo tribe in Arizona, why would I say "Hey Native American".

    Yes, I am being honest. The only answer for the OP is that neither I nor anyone I know would call anyone some name - funny, cute, insulting, complimentary - to his/her face, unless it's in the context of the example I gave earlier (the parties involved in the dicussion call each other names).

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You don't think the OP was about the situation where it is necessary to use a person's racial designation, and you have a choice between something polite, like Native American, or something else, like redskin?
    And in such cases I'd use "native american" or "indian" for the reasons listed, just as I'd use "african american" instead of "black" or "colored".

    Despite that, I don't think "black" is a slur word and I don't think colored when used to describe a black person is ALWAYS a slur and similarly I don't think Redskins is always a slur. Context matters.

    When addressing someone based on a racial designation, if I don't know them well, I'm always going to go with the MOST benign one possible because in general it's intelligent not to offend those you're having to deal with in some fashion. This is the same reason I don't talk about Politics or Religion with people at work or in public unless they're close friends.

    If I do know the person, then I'm likely to use the words that are most apt to use commonly. It's that simple.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Blacks cannot escape racial injustice. It is systemic.
    Yeah...especially when they live in areas where there a whole lot of black people committing crime. Damn racist cops..arresting black people for committing crimes.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I wouldn't call someone who is a Navajo "Native American" either. If I met someone from a Navajo tribe in Arizona, why would I say "Hey Native American".

    Yes, I am being honest. The only answer for the OP is that neither I nor anyone I know would call anyone some name - funny, cute, insulting, complimentary - to his/her face, unless it's in the context of the example I gave earlier (the parties involved in the dicussion call each other names).
    The OP isn't talking about saying "hey, Native American". Do you honestly think it is talking about that?
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The OP isn't talking about saying "hey, Native American". Do you honestly think it is talking about that?
    No, the OP was talking about calling someone "Redskin" to his face.

    And for most adults, that would never happen. I dunno, maybe you & the OP know a lot of adults who engage in name calling to strangers. I don't.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And in such cases I'd use "native american" or "indian" for the reasons listed, just as I'd use "african american" instead of "black" or "colored".

    Despite that, I don't think "black" is a slur word and I don't think colored when used to describe a black person is ALWAYS a slur and similarly I don't think Redskins is always a slur. Context matters.

    When addressing someone based on a racial designation, if I don't know them well, I'm always going to go with the MOST benign one possible because in general it's intelligent not to offend those you're having to deal with in some fashion. This is the same reason I don't talk about Politics or Religion with people at work or in public unless they're close friends.

    If I do know the person, then I'm likely to use the words that are most apt to use commonly. It's that simple.
    And finally, you, the first conservative leaning person on this thread to do so, I think, have addressed the OP. Amazing how difficult that was to drag it out of someone.

    So, now, why would you avoid the use of 'black' if it isn't offensive in some way? I want to know because I think it has a loose application pertaining to the use of the word redskin.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, the OP was talking about calling someone "Redskin" to his face.

    And for most adults, that would never happen. I dunno, maybe you & the OP know a lot of adults who engage in name calling to strangers. I don't.
    Again, do you honestly think the OP was about name-calling? As in "hey, Redskin" or "hey, Native American". Or do you think it was about the situations where you do need to refer to a person's race in front of them and you have a choice between 'Native American' or 'Redskin'? Like, when AmericanWoman said she is half Mexican. I could have responded "How was it growing up here being part Mexican?" Or I could have responded "How was it growing up here being part wetback?" See how I have a choice between two words there? Do you think the OP was referring to that kind of situation rather than name calling? You REALLY and honestly think the OP was referring to the ridiculous situation of name calling?
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