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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is a better question than the other poll.

    If your answer is "no," you should ponder why not. And maybe even post why not in this thread.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    I have a very diverse group of friends as well. And I never feel the need or desire to call them by anything other then their name.

    Why anyone else would feel the need to share a racist comment 'between friends' is beyond me.


    And I do not believe for one second that you mean nothing by it. The fact that calling them these things even occurs to you (when it NEVER does to me - and I have been high/drunk with many of them) strongly suggests that you hold these racist beliefs to at least some extent.

    Not at alll. I am half Mexican but am very light skinned, do you know how many times growing up I was the white girl, la "wedita", or a variety of those words? **** my husband jokingly calls me a cracker alot and I don't take none of it as racism at all. I have thick skin and if you are gonna cry because I call you a redneck or a paisa, then I can't help you can't take a joke.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Depends greatly on the situation. If we're talking a complete strange, then most likely no, for a variety of reasons:

    1. I don't tend to walk up to people and call them by a racial classification, or address people based on a racial classification. ESPECIALLY people I don't know. I don't go walking down the street and see someone and go "Hey White Guy! What's up" or "How you doing black man"? Similarly, I'm not going to go up and say "Hello Redskin".

    2. I recognize that it can be viewed as offensive, and I also recognize as it's an anachronistic word at this point, so if for some crazy reason I was randomly deciding to identify someone I've never met by a racial category I would likely use the most benign and commonly accepted method since I'm DIRECTLY referring to them which heightens the chance to offend. This is much the same way I'd refer to a black individual I was addressing in a similar fashion by using "African American" even though I routinely use "black" instead of that, because I recognize that's generally viewed as the most benign and neutral term.

    3. Its a largely dated word in the current vernacular, and as such doesn't tend to come to mind in terms of racial classifications nearly as quickly or as naturally as something like native american or indian or american indian. It's similar to "colored" for a black person; it's dated, it's considered offensive by many to use it to describe a black person in the modern day, but it's still recognized in some cases as being used in a non-offensive manner today due to the context of those cases.

    Now if it's NOT a complete stranger, but rather a friend, it'd greatly depend on their personal feelings regarding it. If I know them to have no issue with the word and I needed to reference native americans I wouldn't have a huge issue using it, though likely wouldn't because once again it's rather dated as a method of referring to native americans in every day vernacular. Not out of any concious thought, but simply because saying "native american" or "indian" or "american indian" is simply what comes to mind and the tongue quicker. If they did personally have an issue with it's use I likely wouldn't use it around them, out of respect for a friend.
    People have been saying "context", and "depends on the situation". Well, the OP gave the context he was referring to by mentioning the "other poll". Was the other poll talking about situations where you "address" people by their racial designation instead of their name? It is pretty clear to me that this thread is not about addressing a person by something other than their name, even though people seem to want it to be. I wonder why that is...

    In context, the OP was also not about whether the word comes to mind due to whether or not it is outdated. It is more about the scenario where it happens to come to mind, and you had the choice between using it or using the word Native American, would you use 'redskin'? Whether it is outdated and unlikely to come to mind is irrelevant. And can you provide a context where using 'colored' would be non-offensive? (Other than joking)

    I have never yet had a Native American friend who has let me know that 'redskin' is acceptable to them. Interesting scenario, but talk about an exceedingly rare context. Hardly worth mentioning, most likely.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Oh please "Lizzie run's with horses" you speak for every Native American in America? You now feel confident that you could walk up to any Native American in America, call them redskin and you wouldn't get a few smacks in the mouth? Bull****.

    Like anything every person is different. My best friend is from Pakistani origin and often refers to himself as a Paki but he doesn't speak for all Pakistanis in the UK so it would not be correct for me to assume that I could also call others Paki. Also something many of you forget is that you don't have to be the target to find something offensive I am not Jewish but I am very offended my the word kike.
    I find this comment to be more offensive a slur towards this group than any use of the word "redskin" I have so far encountered in everyday life. "Redskin" only speaks to a physical attribute while your comment speaks to their culture.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

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    the Washington Native Americans doesn't exactly roll off the tongue..[
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I find this comment to be more offensive a slur towards this group than any use of the word "redskin" I have so far encountered in everyday life. "Redskin" only speaks to a physical attribute while your comment speaks to their culture.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I think the OP was ridiculous, as evidenced by my post. Most people wouldn't call someone a name that is a reflection on a physical attribute, unless there is some context to it, and you know the person. If my husband was Native American, would I call him Redskin to his face? Sure, if we were jokingly or otherwise calling each other names other than our real names. If he said "Hey Blondie" I may respond with "Yes Redskin?". My husband is very pale (I am very dark - aka "Black Irish" with blonde hair), and I often call him "Paleskin" or "Casper".

    Would I call a stranger "Redskin" to his face? No. Nor would I call a stranger any other name that is a reflection on his appearance.

    So it's a ridiculous question, unless it's directed at the people who tend to call strangers names that are commentaries on physical attributes. Except for kids, I don't know of too many people who are into name calling.
    You don't think the OP was about the situation where it is necessary to use a person's racial designation, and you have a choice between something polite, like Native American, or something else, like redskin?

    You think instead the OP was about something ridiculous, like calling someone by their appearance when addressing them?

    You are being honest about this, right?
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yes that was kind of the point...
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You don't think the OP was about the situation where it is necessary to use a person's racial designation, and you have a choice between something polite, like Native American, or something else, like redskin?

    You think instead the OP was about something ridiculous, like calling someone by their appearance when addressing them?

    You are being honest about this, right?
    Yes, I'm being honest about this.

    Please be honest back. How many times have you walked up to a total stranger and called that person a name based on an obvious physical attribute or ethnicity since you've been an adult?

    I also wouldn't call someone a "Native American". I don't meet someone named "Vito Minelli" and say "Hey, an Italian!". Do you? If I meet someone with an obvious British accent, I don't say "Hey Limey" or "Hey Brit". Do you?

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    There is a whole other group of people I would gladly call a redskin to their face. For some reason, they are proud to be redskins.

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