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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So taxation is slavery then?
    Depends on if it is used for providing common needs or used for bull****. Individuals cannot provide national defense alone, so it is something the government must do and everyone benefits from it. Then there is welfare, which is something free men and women provide for themselves and if provided by the government, not everyone benefits from it. In fact, if you look at crime statistics in relation to welfare, it is actually a very bad thing for the country.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Taxation=theft? This argument? How is it "in favor of others" when its applied to everyone?
    If i pay $300 a month to own a truck, that truck is mine to decide as I see fit what to do with it.

    If the government comes in and says that's illegal, and now 300 people each pay $1 a month and we all own the truck together (and for the sake of argument, there are 299 other trucks in this deal), why, I have no control over "my" truck anymore. I don't have a truck, but a 1/300 stake in 300 different trucks. So, who's turn is it to put the gas into the truck I get to use today? What if someone decides they want to use all 300 of them today and forgo their right for the next 299 days? No, this system sucks. I don't want to participate in it.

    But in your view of the world, I *must* participate, even if I don't have use for a truck at all!

    I don't care if you think the system is fair because it is "applied to everyone." When we're talking about drinking water, something fundamental to the sustainability of life, how do we stop people from watering their grass and driving up the cost for everyone? Maybe all I want to do with my water is drink it, flush toilets, wash dishes, and take showers. Why should my costs shared among those who take three bubble-baths a day, wash their car every day, and water their lawn 6 days a week? Make them PAY for their use, and their use will be moderated.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Perhaps you should look up the word efficient before you continue.
    Your saying there are a lot of airplane crashes? That there are a lot of midair collisions? Man oh man! I better not fly ever again! Our airplanes are so unsafe because of our inefficient FAA!


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do know slavery means you are property and you are being forced to work on someone elses behalf.
    And having my money that I earned through my labors and given to people who do not labor is different how?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Most of the time.
    Why only most of the time? All taxes are a action of redistribution and takes a service and labor to implement, collect, and pay. It satisfies all your "requirements" for slavery.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And having my money that I earned through my labors and given to people who do not labor is different how?
    So if water is provided by the state it means only "lazy" people will get water?


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





    Nearly Half Of Detroit Water Customers Canít Pay Their Bill ę CBS Detroit
    Yes, and that includes Corporations that should pay the going rate per gallon when they contaminate a water source, anywhere. I own property with multiple springs and I cannot see any justification for being made to pay for the water because I paid for the springs when I bought the property. When you move to a city, you know that these things must be provided by the infrastructure and you pay for the infrastructure because you think you will have more and better opportunities in a City.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Disagreement to how a organization is ran does not equate to non efficient. Overall the FAA is a efficient agency because it accomplishses its major goals.
    And what are it's major goals? Safety is certainly one of them and in absolute terms the US aviation safety record for Part 121 (air carrier) operations is extremely good. Heck even Part 135 (charter for the most part) and Part 91 (general aviation) are pretty good. No one could argue otherwise. The questions that really needs to be posed are "are they as good as they could be and could they improved at a cost that the public is willing to bear?" Soucie's answer is "no." If he's right then that's a strong argument that the FAA really isn't efficient - or as efficient as it could be.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    When we're talking about drinking water, something fundamental to the sustainability of life, how do we stop people from watering their grass and driving up the cost for everyone?
    A basic amount of water is provided to everyone. If you use more it will be taxed as a consumption tax.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And what are it's major goals? Safety is certainly one of them and in absolute terms the US aviation safety record for Part 121 (air carrier) operations is extremely good. Heck even Part 135 (charter for the most part) and Part 91 (general aviation) are pretty good. No one could argue otherwise. The questions that really needs to be posed are "are they as good as they could be and could they improved at a cost that the public is willing to bear?" Soucie's answer is "no." If he's right then that's a strong argument that the FAA really isn't efficient - or as efficient as it could be.
    If he's right then the
    Room for improvement does not mean its inefficient. Almost every organization be it private or government has room for improvement. Does that mean they are inefficient? No.


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