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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You mean the same "state" that you constantly bitch about? The one that has never actually been able to efficiently do anything?
    The state doesnt do anything efficiently? Not a single thing?


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    True.

    And taxes are the labor of others. What you advocate when you claim water should be provided to all, is that all people have earned the right to have a commodity provided to them, completely irrespective of circumstances and the labor they have or have not provided. This is different than saying no one should be blocked from a source of water. I don't think you are going to find anyone - not even the most ridiculous caricature of a fat-cat capitalist - who thinks people should be blocked from resources. The common logical fallacy favored by those on the left side of the spectrum is to conflate access with provision. This is a clear example.

    To illustrate the fallacy in effect, take the example of healthcare: I do not think I should pay for someone else's healthcare... and this does not mean I want the poor to die. I also do not think someone should pay for my healthcare, and this does not mean I want to go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt and eventual bankruptcy. It also does not mean I am rich, or cruel, or stupid. It means I advocate a market based approach to solving the problem largely created when the government started putting their dirty little hands into the health system.

    In the case of basic staples of life, like water, labor should be required for use, be it the price of a well and a pump, or a fair use fee for municipal services. Baring that, go down to the river and boil your drinking water. I don't care. But don't expect me or the guy next to me to pay for it because you can't provide for yourself (barring mental illness and legitimate disability).

    If the air we breathe required expensive treatment and capture systems in order to provide oxygen safely, I would also advocate people get off of their ass and find a way to earn this commodity, too.
    I believe water should be provided to individuals via the state at no extra cost.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The state doesnt do anything efficiently? Not a single thing?
    Nope. Bet you cannot point out a single part of the government or a single program that is actually efficiently ran.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I believe water should be provided to individuals via the state at no extra cost.
    No "extra costs"? Extra to whom? Certainly not the lazy and incompetents like on welfare, since they don't pay anyway.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Of course not, don't take things out of context. This is one of those things which should be a shared minimal expense of the community. No one has to make affirmative steps to preserve but they should not be allowed to take affirmative steps to prevent.

    Which is why I said a "cost plus" method should be established.

    You may pay $10, but others, like me have had to pay upward of over $100/ a month. These kind of payments afford huge bloated salaries for bureaucrats.

    Sorry if I misunderstood you.

    $100/month for water outside of a desert is nuts. Absent competition whoever's providing your water should be recouping their cost and perhaps a little profit - as you stated. Not sure about the bloated salaries though. Even 10 million or 20 million would only add a few dollars to the bottom line cost. Something else must be going on.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Nope. Bet you cannot point out a single part of the government or a single program that is actually efficiently ran.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If we made a ranked list of the most important inventions to modern society, I guarantee you that running water would easily crack the top 5. Maybe even the top 3. There is a very clear reason why access to running water and disease proliferation are inversely related. So your whole cost argument is pretty much shot. Having running water is AT LEAST as important as having police and other basic civil protections and institutions, no matter how much it costs to get it. The only alternative is to pack up and move.

    Now if you're trying to say that people who live lavish lifestyles consume more resources and that they need to scale back, then tone down the rhetoric and in exchange, I'll hear you out. Because then you would find that we would have some common ground here.

    I think you need to reread the arguments and who is responding to whom. Your response to what I posted actually agrees with my post, that you quoted.

    In fact you seem to now disagree with your previous assertion that individual rainwater collection should be allowed in a all places.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I believe water should be provided to individuals via the state at no extra cost.
    Exactly how is forcing people to provide something to others different from slavery? Oh, right, socialism is slavery.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    A municipal water system is hardly an example of a capitalist economy at work. It's actually quite the opposite.
    Gov't bailouts are hardly an example of a capitalist system but when huge parts of the economy fail something has to be done. Do you suggest people go without water if they can't afford it but banks, auto and insurance companies be given billions upon billions?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Sorry if I misunderstood you.

    $100/month for water outside of a desert is nuts. Absent competition whoever's providing your water should be recouping their cost and perhaps a little profit - as you stated. Not sure about the bloated salaries though. Even 10 million or 20 million would only add a few dollars to the bottom line cost. Something else must be going on.
    He doesn't say how much he's using.

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