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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Taxation.
    Taxation requires labor to be paid. Taxation also only deals with the payment of the service, but has nothing to do with the delivery of it.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I am in complete agreement with anyone opposed to rain taxes or bans on collecting rainwater.
    In certain locations that just makes no sense whatsoever. In very cold climates and with excellent filtering and a population that knows how to live without a governmental support system it works. However, in many places, again, you're asking for mass disease.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Taxation is a draw on the labor of others, that goes to pay for the labor of others (in this case, the person or people who maintain the water treatment plant and build the infrastructure).

    In your system, what does the basis for taxation come from? Labor!

    In your system, where does that taxation get used? On more labor!

    Your system requires the labor of others.
    So what? Any system needs labor.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So what? Any system needs labor.
    Yes, and that is already being paid for by taxation of use. That is what your water bill represents.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I am in complete agreement with anyone opposed to rain taxes or bans on collecting rainwater.
    Banning or taxing rainwater collection is done for the exact same reason that in many states, it is becoming increasingly legally difficult to live off the grid.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Banning or taxing rainwater collection is done for the exact same reason that in many states, it is becoming increasingly legally difficult to live off the grid.
    Only if you educate the people to boil rainwater first. Then drink it after it cools down. Otherwise, you may end up with a damaged liver especially if you're drinking rainwater in places like Detroit that is an industrial city.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    I don't totally disagree.

    I think that every human being should be entitled to basic necessities.

    A 6' x 8' covered dwelling heated to a maximum of 68 degrees, 64 ounces of clean water, and 2,000 calories worth of rice, beans, and some green vegetable per day would take care of the absolute basic minimums.

    The problem I have is when the government starts paying for 2 bedroom apartments and providing people with cash they can use to buy whatever they want (yes, I know they can't buy WHATEVER they want, but they still have a choice and there's no reason to even give them that much).

    Naturally if folks want, and are capable of, working for more then I don't see where government has any basis for standing in their way.

    But if folks are entitled, as humans, to have everything they need to live, then morally the only thing society owes them is EXACTLY what they need to LIVE and not one cent more.

    Society doesn't owe anyone comfort, entertainment, opportunity, or a choice.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The reason I brought this up, because if a major US city has half its population unable to afford basic water supply, it speaks to how broken our capitalist system is becoming.

    Walmart advertises, they'll provide $250 billion worth of new US production. That's one company trying to rebuild public image, with a $.25 trillion dollars. Yet half of the citizens of Detroit can't afford freaking water, something is wrong.

    A socialist gov't isn't the answer but it's going to become a necessity if corporations don't put something back in, instead of leveraging their ability to hoard money. Starbucks is going to start offering a free college education to its employees.

    Paying workers more, with better benefits would be a big step in the right direction, and stimulate the economy dramatically putting funds in the hands of spenders.
    I suspect something is wrong in Detroit, but it is not a failure of the Capitalist system.
    There are a lot more problems there, than people not paying their water bill.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Your right to life means someone cannot take your life except in certain circumstances. It does not mean someone has to take affirmative steps to preserve your life.

    Inidividuals should be billed for water usage. It costs money to purify and deliver and if you're on the hook for your personal usage you might act in ways that conserves water.

    And frankly it's not like it's a huge expense. I think I pay about $10/month to the local water company.
    Of course not, don't take things out of context. This is one of those things which should be a shared minimal expense of the community. No one has to make affirmative steps to preserve but they should not be allowed to take affirmative steps to prevent.

    Which is why I said a "cost plus" method should be established.

    You may pay $10, but others, like me have had to pay upward of over $100/ a month. These kind of payments afford huge bloated salaries for bureaucrats.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    Provided by who?

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