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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Hey, you're that guy that thinks I'm a fascist. Cool. But back on topic, do you mean factually incorrect, or interfering with your opinion? I have a strong feeling that it is the latter.
    Are you not on record desiring that the government control businesses through regulations? If so you are a fascist. You are also a liberal. That is why you rely upon your strong feelings.

    We have become a fascist nation.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Historically, fascism is the totalitarian extreme of conservatism. It'd be a much more reasonable stab to call you a communist.
    Actually this is not true. The liberals became embarrassed when the fascist A. Hitler was discovered to have killed millions of people not in combat. Prior to that the liberals all flocked to Mussolini and the favored harbinger of the future.

    The US has had several fascist presidents as well as many that were fascistic. W. Wilson was fascist. So was FDR. Theodore was fascistic. So was JFK. Fascism is a tactic of the totalitarians, the Progressives, the liberals, the socialists, the Marxists, in short statists.

    Communism is just one form of totalitarianism based on international socialism. Many fascist regimes are based on national socialism.

    Totalitarianism is one one side of the equation. Individual freedoms and liberty stand opposed. Left and Right are almost meaningless terms.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then i shall provide the text for you.

    "The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former"

    the senate is created to block the collective capacity of the people, because the senate is in the hands of the state legislatures...not the people
    First of all, you're talking about collective power of the people to have a say in what their government is doing, not economic collectivism. Secondly, the idea that the people should not have a say in electing the governmental body that represents them is disgustingly elitist.


    i said everyone must be treated equally under the law, ..........meaning ALL LAWS PASSED must apply to everyone, no one is exempt from them.

    example...... government cannot give you a ticket for overtime parking, ............but exempt other people from the law, you just got ticketed for.........that is illegal...and not equally under the law.
    So schools cannot create classes specified for the mentally or physically disabled? Equality under the law refers to preventing government enforced discrimination. It doesn't mean we can't address issues that affect segments of the population. This is the flaw in constitutional literalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Historically, fascism is the totalitarian extreme of conservatism. It'd be a much more reasonable stab to call you a communist.
    I wouldn't call it "reasonable." I'm not a communist nor a fascist, but you're correct that Misterveritis has a very odd definition of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you not on record desiring that the government control businesses through regulations? If so you are a fascist. You are also a liberal. That is why you rely upon your strong feelings.

    We have become a fascist nation.
    You can't just make up your own definitions. Find me a source that agrees with your claim.

    Also, I find it funny that you say I rely upon my feelings, and then you don't come up with a source to back up your claims that I'm a fascist.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I wouldn't call it "reasonable." I'm not a communist nor a fascist, but you're correct that Misterveritis has a very odd definition of fascism.
    It is, however, a correct definition.

    "Are you not on record desiring that the government control businesses through regulations? If so you are a fascist. You are also a liberal. That is why you rely upon your strong feelings.

    We have become a fascist nation."

    You can't just make up your own definitions. Find me a source that agrees with your claim.

    Also, I find it funny that you say I rely upon my feelings, and then you don't come up with a source to back up your claims that I'm a fascist.
    I believe I have already done so. Fascism is complicated because it claims to be the middle way between communism and conservatism.

    Fascism seeks to control businesses for the sake of the people. But really it is for the sake of the state. It is a totalitarian concept. You embrace it.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is, however, a correct definition.

    "Are you not on record desiring that the government control businesses through regulations? If so you are a fascist. You are also a liberal. That is why you rely upon your strong feelings.

    We have become a fascist nation."
    According to whom?

    I believe I have already done so.
    No you haven't. Post a link.

    Fascism is complicated because it claims to be the middle way between communism and conservatism.
    That assumes that politics is measured on a linear scale, which is obviously false.

    Fascism seeks to control businesses for the sake of the people. But really it is for the sake of the state. It is a totalitarian concept. You embrace it.
    I embrace it? How can you possibly come to that conclusion? Unless you've been reading more of my posts, all you know about my ideology is that I support paid parental leave and water as a right, along with other basic needs. I don't seek to benefit "the state" in any way. The state has a role to play, just like any part of a society. You also assume that I want total control of the economy, controlled by the state. Even if I did support that, I would not be a fascist. But I don't.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    The transportation and sterilization of water is not free. If you refuse to pay those costs, then you have no right to water. Its pretty simple. You do not have the right to benefit from the labor of others. That's called charity.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    First of all, you're talking about collective power of the people to have a say in what their government is doing, not economic collectivism. Secondly, the idea that the people should not have a say in electing the governmental body that represents them is disgustingly elitist.
    the purpose of the senate is to stop the collective capacity of the people from creating laws, which defy the founding principles of America and the Constitution.

    because the house is a collective body...the senate is not a collective body.


    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    So schools cannot create classes specified for the mentally or physically disabled? Equality under the law refers to preventing government enforced discrimination. It doesn't mean we can't address issues that affect segments of the population. This is the flaw in constitutional literalism.
    equally under the law, means all laws will adhere to all the people equally........

    meaning you cant give me a ticket, and not give another person the same a ticket for doing there same thing.

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    Why do fascists deny their fascism?

    "Fascism seeks to control businesses for the sake of the people. But really it is for the sake of the state. It is a totalitarian concept. You embrace it."
    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I embrace it?
    Yes. See the bolded parts...

    How can you possibly come to that conclusion? Unless you've been reading more of my posts, all you know about my ideology is that I support paid parental leave and water as a right, along with other basic needs.
    Your own words betray you. How doe these magical things happen without government coercion of privately owned businesses?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    I think that since our governments will happily foot the bill for bombs to drop on innocent children in foreign countries, this ought to be a no-brainer.
    Last edited by NoC_T; 07-02-14 at 07:38 AM.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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