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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    You collect the water, purify it, then store/drink it.
    Hilarious simplification and another good example of why folks in mosquito and disease areas shouldn't be allowed to do rain catchment. You've never even seen a rain catchment system have you?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Utah is eliminating homelessness by giving a home to those who need it. I recognize that this is different than a right to housing.
    are they making a law in doing this?

    you cannot make laws, to give things to one group of people and not give it to another.

    privileges have to be given to every citizen of the state.....that's constitutional law.

    one of the reason why government cannot give you material goods and services.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are they making a law in doing this?

    you cannot make laws, to give things to one group of people and not give it to another.

    privileges have to be given to every citizen of the state.....that's constitutional law.

    one of the reason why government cannot give you material goods and services.
    In order to receive Medicaid, you have to be below a certain income level. I could name numerous other programs designed to service a particular segment of the population. Are you saying that the government can't only service part of the citizenry, or that they shouldn't?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    In order to receive Medicaid, you have to be below a certain income level. I could name numerous other programs designed to service a particular segment of the population. Are you saying that the government can't only service part of the citizenry, or that they shouldn't?

    well according to constitutional law, the federal government has no authority in the life's liberty and property of the people...that's a state power...federalist 45

    but as you can see, by federal government getting into the people life's.... they do it unfairly.

    state government, must treat everyone equally they cannot make laws, that center on a particular group /faction of people.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well according to constitutional law, the federal government has no authority in the life's liberty and property of the people...that's a state power...federalist 45

    but as you can see, by federal government getting into the people life's.... they do it unfairly.

    state government, must treat everyone equally they cannot make laws, that center on a particular group /faction of people.
    Just because an economic theory did not exist at the time the constitution is written does not mean it's expressly forbidden by the constitution. And Utah's law does treat people equally, because it helps the less fortunate get on equal ground with everyone else.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Just because an economic theory did not exist at the time the constitution is written does not mean it's expressly forbidden by the constitution. And Utah's law does treat people equally, because it helps the less fortunate get on equal ground with everyone else.
    when it comes to constitutional law, only those power delegated to congress, can congress act on with writing federal law.

    charity is no legislative duty of congress--James Madison

    if you create a law, that gives a particular group /faction of people something, and do not give it to others, that's not legal.

    you cannot have black rights, Hispanic rights white rights, anything which applies to one but not the other.

    that is not equality UNDER the law......you interpretation is equality BY law.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The reason I brought this up, because if a major US city has half its population unable to afford basic water supply, it speaks to how broken our capitalist system is becoming.

    Walmart advertises, they'll provide $250 billion worth of new US production. That's one company trying to rebuild public image, with a $.25 trillion dollars. Yet half of the citizens of Detroit can't afford freaking water, something is wrong.

    A socialist gov't isn't the answer but it's going to become a necessity if corporations don't put something back in, instead of leveraging their ability to hoard money. Starbucks is going to start offering a free college education to its employees.

    Paying workers more, with better benefits would be a big step in the right direction, and stimulate the economy dramatically putting funds in the hands of spenders.


    i have 160 employees

    the lowest paid earns over $ 12 hour

    but i dont hire anyone without experience, or an education

    you have to have a skill to get into my door

    and anything i can automate within reason, i will spend the capital to do so

    you cant drop out of high school, never get any trade education, and still expect employers to pay you a "living wage"

    at some point, we are going to realize that personal decisions still matter.....

    and personal responsibility is a choice
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Yes, water should be a resource provided through taxation under the welfare clause. It is necessary for everyone's survival not a luxury for only those who can afford it.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when it comes to constitutional law, only those power delegated to congress, can congress act on with writing federal law.
    And as I said before, how could the constitution prevent congress from doing something that had not even been thought of at the time?

    charity is no legislative duty of congress--James Madison
    This could be interpreted multiple ways. Madison did not know the concepts of Keynesianism, the welfare state, socialism, or social democracy. The economy didn't look anything like it did today, so to assume that the founding fathers would support the same policies today as they did in the 1700's is naive. Also, I wouldn't worship every word that comes from the mouth of a man who supported slavery.

    if you create a law, that gives a particular group /faction of people something, and do not give it to others, that's not legal.

    you cannot have black rights, Hispanic rights white rights, anything which applies to one but not the other.
    You seem to be confusing focusing on a certain segment of the population with equality under the law. If the government decides to build a highway parallel to the Mississippi River, the west coast population does not benefit from that. Is that discrimination? In addition, this isn't putting those who already have a home below those who do not in any way. It's giving aid to people who are already less fortunate.

    that is not equality UNDER the law......you interpretation is equality BY law.
    What part of that is illegal or unconstitutional?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    And as I said before, how could the constitution prevent congress from doing something that had not even been thought of at the time?



    This could be interpreted multiple ways. Madison did not know the concepts of Keynesianism, the welfare state, socialism, or social democracy. The economy didn't look anything like it did today, so to assume that the founding fathers would support the same policies today as they did in the 1700's is naive. Also, I wouldn't worship every word that comes from the mouth of a man who supported slavery.



    You seem to be confusing focusing on a certain segment of the population with equality under the law. If the government decides to build a highway parallel to the Mississippi River, the west coast population does not benefit from that. Is that discrimination? In addition, this isn't putting those who already have a home below those who do not in any way. It's giving aid to people who are already less fortunate.



    What part of that is illegal or unconstitutional?
    the constitution is a document which sets up the federal government, and delegates to them few powers, it creates federalism a separation of powers between the feds and the states,, with the states have numerous powers.

    all powers which are not delegated to the federal government by the constitution, are to remain the power of the states and to the people.


    just because people want the federal government to do things they think are a good idea, does not give government the authority to do them, the constitution must be amended.

    the founders did not create a democracy, and they created a government to stop collectivism, as stated in the federalist paper 63.

    any powers that the government were to exercise which are not in the constitution is illegal unless an amendment granting them a new power to the constitution is ratified.

    I do not understand your highway example, please rephrase it

    by your own words you are using law, to make people equal... this is not legal, it is equality under the law, not by law.

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