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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    This answer is two part. Water is a basic human right. There should be no infringement on the collection of rain water, desalination, home purification. But should the government hand out water to people? No, thats a tremendous waste of money considering how easy it is to collect and purify rain water (assuming it's legal in your state) and other methods of reaching a water source that can be cleaned.
    Though I know you're shooting for reasonable here, I disagree. Because it's rainwater doesn't make it pure or disease free. Nor can mosquito and bacterial abatement be managed by going house to house asking, "do you collect and store rainwater safely?".

    There are places that are safer than others where rainwater can be safely collected with little risk of mosquito infestation. However, there are places where the risks can be significant.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    That isn't reason, and the two quotes are incompatible.

    There is no such "right" to water.
    Sigh. There was more to the conversation than what you presented. How incredibly dishonest of you, but I have come to expect it. It is who you are.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I disagree. Because it's rainwater doesn't make it pure or disease free. Nor can mosquito and bacterial abatement be managed by going house to house asking, "do you collect and store rainwater safely".
    "collect and purify"

    "collection of rain water...home purification"

    It is not the government's role to hold our hand. If you decide to collect rain water then it is on you to make sure that your water that you collected is safe for your consumption. See a trend? it's all on you.
    Last edited by TheLastIndependent; 06-26-14 at 01:57 AM.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sigh. There was more to the conversation than what you presented. How incredibly dishonest of you, but I have come to expect it. It is who you are.


    No!
    How incredibly dishonest of you.

    I quoted specifically what I was replying to.
    There wasn't anything more to it than that.
    The two are not compatible at all.

    And then the follow up comment that there is no such "right".
    If there was, you could point it out, but there isn't.
    Not even in nature, absent the artificially created societal rules, does such a "right" exist.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Firstly, Britain's welfare system is not the ideal welfare system. Scandinavian systems, (Finland, Sweden, and the like) are the best models of how we can and should reduce poverty. As the link I provided shows, poverty in Finland is at under 5%, compared to above 20% here. And the primary problem listed in the description of that British television series is that because of government cuts, there weren't sure if they were going to make ends meet. Even with people who remain on welfare under a universal welfare state, they are making ends meet with welfare as aid. A successful welfare state is capable of reducing poverty by 15% to 20% here; maybe more if we are successful, with the ultimate goal of eliminating poverty. And those 15-20% of people in poverty now who could be lifted out of it via a welfare state is no small feat, and I don't think that should be overlooked.
    Of course you reduce poverty by paying people's way. You are supporting them. The more money you GIVE them for simply drawing breath, the less poor they are. Funny how that works. But unless you've got a money tree, that system sucks for the folks who do work and pay their own way. You also get perpetual linages of dole recipients.

    That's NOT reducing poverty, that's borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. And watch the program when you can, there are other episodes, and if your blood isn't boiling by the end, then you're likely to be part of the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    It's not a guaranteed right to housing; you're correct in that regard. But giving a home and a social worker to homeless people, which will essentially end homelessness within the next few years, according to projections, means that regardless of constitutional guarantees, there is no homelessness, and therefor it is pretty close to a right to housing.
    No, it won't. The projections are lies if they predict that. Unlike Britain's dole and council housing folks, when you are given a place to live here you're expected to be drug, alcohol and crime free. That's just not going to happen.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    "collect and purify"

    "collection of rain water...home purification"

    It is not the government's role to hold our hand. If you decide to collect rain water then it is on you to make sure that your water that you collected is safe for your consumption. See a trend? it's all on you.
    Again, mosquito abatement. Your mismanagement of your water collection, again in some areas, could easily cause or contribute to existing local disease outbreaks. When you live with other folks around your swing doesn't have far to go to reach another's nose.

    Btw, rainwater collection systems are open to the elements, of course, have a standing pool of still water that is typically shaded. Perfect mosquito hatching conditions.

    Again, in some areas this isn't a concern, in others it is a large concern.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, mosquito abatement. Your mismanagement of your water collection, again in some areas, could easily cause or contribute to existing local disease outbreaks. When you live with other folks around your swing doesn't have far to go to reach another's nose.

    Btw, rainwater collection systems are open to the elements, of course, have a standing pool of still water that is typically shaded. Perfect mosquito hatching conditions.

    Again, in some areas this isn't a concern, in others it is a large concern.
    Then quite simply you do not leave purified water open. do you dump bottles of water in a kiddie pool to drink it? Perhaps you should not collect rain water if you are planning on drinking directly from a still pool. However, there are others that are plenty capable of generating a safe and free water source for themselves through nature.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Then quite simply you do not leave purified water open. do you dump bottles of water in a kiddie pool to drink it? Perhaps you should not collect rain water if you are planning on drinking directly from a still pool. However, there are others that are plenty capable of generating a safe and free water source for themselves through nature.
    You don't have a clue how rainwater catchment systems work do you? The collection tank, usually a barrel in the small home systems, precedes the filtering.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You don't have a clue how rainwater catchment systems work do you? The collection tank, usually a barrel in the small home systems, precedes the filtering.
    You collect the water, purify it, then store/drink it.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    No!
    How incredibly dishonest of you.

    I quoted specifically what I was replying to.
    There wasn't anything more to it than that.
    The two are not compatible at all.

    And then the follow up comment that there is no such "right".
    If there was, you could point it out, but there isn't.
    Not even in nature, absent the artificially created societal rules, does such a "right" exist.
    No!

    You don't get to mischaracterize what I am saying by misrepresenting it by leaving out key elements, and then call yourself honest. Do not be surprised if I don't respond to you any longer. I have watched you for a long time, but have found myself fortunate not to have to deal with you. In fact, I don't have to deal with you, and will not.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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