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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Didnt know it was a human right to own a gun?
    In America it's aright to keep and bear arms. By your logic if I can't afford a gun then tax payer dollars should pay for me to have one.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I suggest you watch some British reporting. After seeing the situation reported on in Benefits Britain, you should feel ashamed of yourself for even suggesting such a thing.

    For the rest of you, this is where the liberals here want to take the US -

    Episode 1 | Benefits Britain: Life On The Dole | Channel 5
    This is why a basic minimum income is one of the worst possible ways to implement welfare. There are plenty of ways to establish a welfare state; some are successes, some are failures. I personally favor guaranteeing the basic needs to survive, and capital is not one of those needs is others are accounted for. And even with all of that, the U.K. still has lower child poverty rates than the U.S. (see link) Don't treat the U.S. like it's some kind of utopia.

    Map: How 35 countries compare on child poverty (the U.S. is ranked 34th) - The Washington Post

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you picked a terrible constitution to cite.
    I'll concede that the South African congress is terribly corrupt and has been incapable of doing much of anything productive right now, but the claim made was that no country guarantees a right to housing.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    One nation in the entire world, and there's no way they do it as is anyway. And no, Utah is not doing it.
    What is that supposed to mean? Are you denying the existence of the program, or just disagreeing on what it does?

    How Utah Will Soon End Chronic Homelessness
    Utah Is Ending Homelessness By Giving People Homes
    Utah's Crazy Idea Should End Homelessness by 2015
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It seemed you were having trouble understanding the difference others have pointed out in this thread. "Human rights" doesn't delineate anything.
    Of course it does. There are fundamental human rights everyone is guranteed, even if the state does not gurantee them or not.


    Concerning rights to water, a negative right would be upheld by laws acknowledging others cannot take water you rightfully came to possess. A positive right could only be upheld if some external entity were obligated to ensure you possess sufficient water and, if you don't, to then provide water to you, essentially free of charge (to you).
    So?


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    In America it's aright to keep and bear arms. By your logic if I can't afford a gun then tax payer dollars should pay for me to have one.
    No. You have the right to own a gun if you wish. A human right is something provided for you no matter what.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Anyone that thinks water should be free obviously has no concept of a Tragedy of the Commons. Anytime you have a finite resource, in this case fresh water, you cannot have a free for all with it. Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. You have the right to own a gun if you wish. A human right is something provided for you no matter what.
    Excluding those that die while lost in a desert wilderness, does anyone in the United States die of thirst?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    This is why a basic minimum income is one of the worst possible ways to implement welfare. There are plenty of ways to establish a welfare state; some are successes, some are failures. I personally favor guaranteeing the basic needs to survive, and capital is not one of those needs is others are accounted for. And even with all of that, the U.K. still has lower child poverty rates than the U.S. (see link) Don't treat the U.S. like it's some kind of utopia.

    Map: How 35 countries compare on child poverty (the U.S. is ranked 34th) - The Washington Post
    But you see the dole does what you suggest. It provides housing and all the basic needs. Then there is also money for food and the like. The problem is the same thing we put a stop to here at one time - they just breed entire generations of folks on the dole. Them, their children, their children's children and so forth.

    We don't want that here and as peachy as your ideas sound on paper, in reality humans make a muck of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No, I'm saying that those programs do not constitute Utah making housing a right.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Excluding those that die while lost in a desert wilderness, does anyone in the United States die of thirst?
    Im guessing very little.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    No, water is not a basic human right IMHO, it has to be paid for. Water does not magically appear from thin air in your spout. In needs collecting, needs to be purified, needs to be transported and all of that costs money. Also, with no monetary consequences for water wasting by consumers everybody will use thousands of gallons of water every year, fill their pool 2 times a week, have 1 hour long showers every night, leave the tap running freely because it is free.

    No, sorry. Water has to be affordable, at cost plus a little extra for the water companies to do investments etc.

    Only the sun comes up for free, nothing else, housing is not for free, water is not for free, etc. etc. etc.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. You have the right to own a gun if you wish. A human right is something provided for you no matter what.
    Nothing is provided for you in this world. Now the government IMHO has the duty to help out the ill, handicapped, unemployed etc. with some basic safety net but after that all bets are off.

    Human rights are immaterial rights like the right to vote, the right to peacefully assemble, the right to address your grievances to the government, your right for a fair trial etc. etc. etc.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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