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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except it's not and never has been, anywhere on the globe.
    I believe there is one country that guarantees housing (i think its South Africa).


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Positive rights are fun. Tell me, how would water and housing be provided to you without someones labor being required?

    Edit: I meant to vote yes.
    Taxation.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Without water, we cannot live. Therefore since we have a right to life we have a right to water.

    The prohibition on collecting rainwater should be prohibited.


    If you're not in a position to drop your own well, a "cost plus" method of delivery should be established in the locality in which you reside. The "plus" a minimal amount which covers the expenses of withdrawing, cleaning, distributing, and maintenance of infrastructure.

    Your right to life means someone cannot take your life except in certain circumstances. It does not mean someone has to take affirmative steps to preserve your life.

    Inidividuals should be billed for water usage. It costs money to purify and deliver and if you're on the hook for your personal usage you might act in ways that conserves water.

    And frankly it's not like it's a huge expense. I think I pay about $10/month to the local water company.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    Food is also a basic right however its not free. Somebody has to pay for water whether its the tenet or the landlord. You can always stick your tongue out when it rains, that way its free.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You cannot have a right to other people paying for something for you.

    Just because something is required for living does not make it a right.

    Rights are unalienable, inherent rather than parasitic.

    If everything you needed was provided for you, at the expense of another's labor, why work? Your survival is not my problem, I do not live for your sake.
    Yet much money is expected by owners of water rights for access alone.

    As taco said, it is illegal to.collect the water that falls on your house in many areas.

    And requiring people to pay someone else to sleep legally is govt enforced parasitism. Otherwise I could sleep in my RV for free.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Without water, we cannot live. Therefore since we have a right to life we have a right to water.
    Already answered in subsequent posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The prohibition on collecting rainwater should be prohibited.
    You're begging for the return of mass water and mosquito bourne disease throughout densely populated areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    If you're not in a position to drop your own well, a "cost plus" method of delivery should be established in the locality in which you reside. The "plus" a minimal amount which covers the expenses of withdrawing, cleaning, distributing, and maintenance of infrastructure.
    Already the case.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





    Nearly Half Of Detroit Water Customers Can’t Pay Their Bill CBS Detroit
    Water isn't a 'right', it's a resource and there should definitely be a cost for using it.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Taxation.
    Taxation is a draw on the labor of others, that goes to pay for the labor of others (in this case, the person or people who maintain the water treatment plant and build the infrastructure).

    In your system, what does the basis for taxation come from? Labor!

    In your system, where does that taxation get used? On more labor!

    Your system requires the labor of others.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course we should pay for water, delivering safe clean water is not cheap.
    The reason I brought this up, because if a major US city has half its population unable to afford basic water supply, it speaks to how broken our capitalist system is becoming.

    Walmart advertises, they'll provide $250 billion worth of new US production. That's one company trying to rebuild public image, with a $.25 trillion dollars. Yet half of the citizens of Detroit can't afford freaking water, something is wrong.

    A socialist gov't isn't the answer but it's going to become a necessity if corporations don't put something back in, instead of leveraging their ability to hoard money. Starbucks is going to start offering a free college education to its employees.

    Paying workers more, with better benefits would be a big step in the right direction, and stimulate the economy dramatically putting funds in the hands of spenders.
    Last edited by grip; 06-23-14 at 03:12 PM.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yet much money is expected by owners of water rights for access alone.

    As taco said, it is illegal to.collect the water that falls on your house in many areas.

    And requiring people to pay someone else to sleep legally is govt enforced parasitism. Otherwise I could sleep in my RV for free.
    I am in complete agreement with anyone opposed to rain taxes or bans on collecting rainwater.
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