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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No, water, along with the other basic needs to survive, should be a right. It's not that foreign of a concept.



    In addition, to South Africa declaring housing as a constitutional right, as TheDemSocialist mentioned, Utah is essentially eliminating homelessness and guaranteeing housing as a right.

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    I suggest you watch some British reporting. After seeing the situation reported on in Benefits Britain, you should feel ashamed of yourself for even suggesting such a thing.

    For the rest of you, this is where the liberals here want to take the US -

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    How would we know? We've never seen a completely free market.
    We have come pretty damn close where there was very little regulations and it didnt work out to great for most workers and citizens.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    No one should be forced to pay for plain water unless they're really thirsty.

    In which case I would think that they would like a cold beer a lot more.

    But maybe that's just me.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    No one should be forced to pay for plain water unless they're really thirsty.

    In which case I would think that they would like a cold beer a lot more.

    But maybe that's just me.
    Yeah, but with the beer you don't get to keep the water onboard for long.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    is there a free college thread too?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    It's not my job to pay for your house. Houses are not a human right.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Anytime America has these discussions, the world rolls their eyes. North America has more fresh water than anywhere. The places that charge for water are places where there are real resource issues. The only reason to privatize it is to export it to other countries for a profit. There's no reason to charge people for it domestically, just like there's little reason to charge people global prices for fuel in a country that produces it. We have enough for everyone here. The cost of diverting it can be paid for with taxes, which I am more than happy to do, and has been the case since basic water infrastructure was implemented. Unless people want to go the idiotic route of "I'm not paying for someone else's water", which the corporations will be happy to capitalize on. Once the government stops paying for it, then the big businesses will own it instead.

    Infrastructurally, it makes sense to provide water at an equilibrium cost. Of course, the big corporations are licking their lips over the idea of getting to charge people more for water, under their usual lies and deceitful justifications. My prediction is that the big agro companies and other industries would not have to pay for water, or they would get a substantially reduced cost. If we follow the corporate trend of destroying the middle class, then it will mean that every-day people will have to pay, but big companies won't. So are we going to let these companies own our rivers and lakes now?

    I can't wait for this globalized economy to go belly up. The only people it serves are the wealthy industry owners, no one else, least of all the health of the planet. It, and its corporate cronies, are running in direct opposition to every natural human faculty with zero concern for community (local or global) benefit. The fiduciary responsibility has to change, and soon.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is there a free college thread too?
    I sure as hell hope so. I have 3 kids. I want them all to get free college. I'm sure it counts as a right too.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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    I say yes we should pay for it.Mostly because it costs money for infrastructure support, to clean the water and we are charged based on how much water we use. I do not know about most cities but in my city we have ice vending machines that sell a gallon of water for 25 cents and a dollar for five gallons,so even the bum standing on the corner can afford clean drinking water.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    We have to make sure there is plenty of water for everybody in the most effective way possible. When people pay for water, it isn't wasted. If water was free it would be taken for granted and not respected.

    It isn't about being nice or about who cares the most. It's about doing what works. Chose the method that works, then repeat.
    That's actually a good point that people might waste it. Maybe make it available for no fee up to a point of usage, making a fair amount free, then start charging beyond the set amount for a household. That would have to be based on the amount of people per home.

    No, I'm not talking about being nice either but practical. As I've already stated if you let half the population go without an essential element for survival, they will riot and fight for it. It becomes cheaper for municipalities to supply it than have an uprising from the populace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You could make it public utility. Its still not free, can never be free. But your fund it from taxes.
    That's part of my point of how much tax money local, state and Federal gov't already get and waste. And they can't let people start dying of thirst but supply illegals and other countries with all the necessities?
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