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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No, water, along with the other basic needs to survive, should be a right. It's not that foreign of a concept.



    In addition, to South Africa declaring housing as a constitutional right, as TheDemSocialist mentioned, Utah is essentially eliminating homelessness and guaranteeing housing as a right.

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    you picked a terrible constitution to cite.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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    We have to make sure there is plenty of water for everybody in the most effective way possible. When people pay for water, it isn't wasted. If water was free it would be taken for granted and not respected.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No, water, along with the other basic needs to survive, should be a right. It's not that foreign of a concept.



    In addition, to South Africa declaring housing as a constitutional right, as TheDemSocialist mentioned, Utah is essentially eliminating homelessness and guaranteeing housing as a right.

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    One nation in the entire world, and there's no way they do it as is anyway. And no, Utah is not doing it.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The free market has many downfalls.
    How would we know? We've never seen a completely free market.

    (If this looks like the No True Scottsman fallacy used by socialists to explain away the failures of Soviet, Chinese, and Indian planned economies, that's because it is.)
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    This is correct. If you go to China everyone you know will say, 'don't drink the water.' And when you are there you will see the thermos of boiled water in every window sill. You will also see them drinking bottled water, and you will be encouraged to do so as well. We tend to think only other countries have problems with contaminated water. But where does your water come from? A well? A water district? Many water districts have processing plants that just recycle waste water from the sewer system back into the water it sells to you. Some get water from rivers which are very dirty. And others use wells, but the water is not clean enough by US standards, and so it has to be chlorinated. Our rivers, streams, lakes are contaminated, so I ask: Where in the US can you get potable water that is not the end product of human labor which costs money? Maybe somewhere there is a well that is not contaminated, but even here in rural KY, that is rare. I know of one that was just outside the water district that was so contaminated the health department mandated the water district to run lines to that house.
    In Michigan, we have great well water. Sometimes you have to go really deep because the potato farms suck all the water out of the table at lesser depths, but the water is fantastic.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    If we don't or do not want to, water purification systems and kit sales would boom, just mosey on down to your favorite river or lake and take what you want or need. There'll also be a spike in sales of water tankers too, think of it, that'll get our economy going!

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    In Michigan, we have great well water. Sometimes you have to go really deep because the potato farms suck all the water out of the table at lesser depths, but the water is fantastic.
    Be cautious. Chemicals do seep into the underground water. We stopped using DDT and found evidence of it in ground water:

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    Groundwater samples contaminated by an industrial point source were analysed in order to reveal the structural diversity of halogenated organic contaminants. Particular focus was laid on the metabolites and derivatives related to the pesticides DDT (2,2-bis(chlorophenyl)-1,1,1-trichlorethane) and lindane (γ-hexachlorocyclohexane). Additionally, a wide range of chlorinated and brominated xenobiotics were identified. These results represent a high degree of contamination with organochlorine compounds illustrating a considerable structural diversity in groundwater in the vicinity of the industrial plant. The polar DDT-metabolite DDA (2,2-bis(chlorophenyl)acetic acid), which has been neglected in water studies widely, represents the main DDT metabolite analysed in the water samples. Besides DDA, some unknown substances with structural relation to DDA and DDT were detected and identified, in detail 2,2-bis(4-chlorophenyl)acetic acid N-methyl amide (DDAMA) and 2,2-bis(4-chlorophenyl)acetic acid n-butyl ester (DDABE). As an overall implication of this study it has to be demanded that analysis of industrially affected ground waters have to be based on screening analysis for a comprehensive view on the state of pollution.
    Structural diversity of organochlorine compounds... [Chemosphere. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

    I have to agree, though, there is nothing quite as good as really good well water. I hate chlorinated water. My sense of smell is overdeveloped and all chlorinated water smells to me like swimming pool water. I carry little packs of Crystal Light to put in water that I order in restaurants. For some reason, restaurant water is particularly noxious smelling to me. Diverting the taste to something else helps.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If we don't or do not want to, water purification systems and kit sales would boom, just mosey on down to your favorite river or lake and take what you want or need. There'll also be a spike in sales of water tankers too, think of it, that'll get our economy going!
    True. My daughter has one and I LOVE the water she keeps in the refrigerator.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Well, the best tasting water is alpine water filtered naturally over granite.

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