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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Take for instance not only the rainwater but aquafiers. Some places have demanded residents to fill their wells and link up to the main and pay for water. That company has no more right to that aquafier than the individuals sinking there wells but the coercive force of government actively denies them of what they've procured for themselves.
    Put aside the government is the evil thing for a moment and think of why that might be. Maybe go back and read about the origins of the Dust Bowl. Once those farmers learned to tap the aquifer on the higher plains all was well. But as time has gone by and more people settled in an area that really doesn't support such a mass of people, more and more strain is on that water source.

    Now, do we continue to allow folks there to sink and draw whatever amount they want, and to hell with the aquifer and any future the area has for us. Or do we prioritize and allow the farmers and the large agri companies, who feed millions, to have access and shunt the individual homesteads and urban development needs off to another source.

    This is not some corrosive force, but good water and land management.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And when "the government" pays, who do you think pays?

    Everyone but you??
    That's my point, we already pay enough taxes on local, state and Federal levels for water to be supplied. If the gov't wasn't so wastefully inefficient and giving our money to failing corporations and other countries, they could afford to provide water and electricity.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    When different companies compete with each other, prices stay lower. When there's no competition, they get higher and higher. And there's no competition with government. Therefore, it's best for everyone if utilities stay in the marketplace.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    The reason I think the commodities and utilities are being partially gov't supported in today's age is because of the low wages, unemployment and rising costs of living.

    From the 1970's thru the 2000's I paid for water and believed it reasonable, but I'm afraid when I read about Detroit having half the population unable to afford their water services. People here in the US, who have the means, think that nothing like an uprising can happen here, but if you deny enough of the populace the basics of living, they'll fight for it.

    Even if it's only temporarily, I wouldn't support letting people en-mass die of thirst or hunger in the US.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    No, water, along with the other basic needs to survive, should be a right. It's not that foreign of a concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except it's not and never has been, anywhere on the globe.
    In addition, to South Africa declaring housing as a constitutional right, as TheDemSocialist mentioned, Utah is essentially eliminating homelessness and guaranteeing housing as a right.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not everything in this country is revolved around the free market.
    Of course not. That's why we have problems.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    While I realize it may be impractical or impossible to implement, I'd be ok with making drinking water a fundamental human right.
    What would satisfy such a right? Does someone have to refill the water bottle and bring it to you? Stick the straw in your mouth?

    Drinking water doesn't need to be regarded as a fundamental human right any more than air does. We need it desperately, but it's ubiquitous enough that there's no point in declaring it a positive right. As a test, walk into any public place and claim to need a drink of water. See if you have trouble accessing some.

    For all the nay-sayers, we spend TRILLIONS of dollars on ridiculous wars and give BILLIONS of dollars to foreign countries as aid, yet we can't afford the measly sum it would cost to subsidize drinking water?
    We already do subsidize it. Government departments all over the country spend a ton of money annually on water collection and treatment as well as utility infrastructure maintenance and improvements to deliver it to where people live, whereafter we wash stuff with it and pour it down the drain, irrigate with it, and urinate and defecate into it.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 06-25-14 at 04:25 AM.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Of course not. That's why we have problems.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course we should pay for water, delivering safe clean water is not cheap.
    This is correct. If you go to China everyone you know will say, 'don't drink the water.' And when you are there you will see the thermos of boiled water in every window sill. You will also see them drinking bottled water, and you will be encouraged to do so as well. We tend to think only other countries have problems with contaminated water. But where does your water come from? A well? A water district? Many water districts have processing plants that just recycle waste water from the sewer system back into the water it sells to you. Some get water from rivers which are very dirty. And others use wells, but the water is not clean enough by US standards, and so it has to be chlorinated. Our rivers, streams, lakes are contaminated, so I ask: Where in the US can you get potable water that is not the end product of human labor which costs money? Maybe somewhere there is a well that is not contaminated, but even here in rural KY, that is rare. I know of one that was just outside the water district that was so contaminated the health department mandated the water district to run lines to that house.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What would satisfy such a right? Does someone have to refill the water bottle and bring it to you? Stick the straw in your mouth?

    Drinking water doesn't need to be regarded as a fundamental human right any more than air does. We need it desperately, but it's ubiquitous enough that there's no point in declaring it a positive right. As a test, walk into any public place and claim to need a drink of water. See if you have trouble accessing some.



    We already do subsidize it. Government departments all over the country spend a ton of money annually on water collection and treatment as well as utility infrastructure maintenance and improvements to deliver it to where people live, whereafter we wash stuff with it and pour it down the drain, irrigate with it, and urinate and defecate into it.
    In Europe you can't get tap water at a restaurant without paying several euro, but I think you're wearing first world blinders looking at the problem. Suitable drinking water is a scarce commodity in most parts of the world and many people die daily without it. In practice our government already has implemented a right to water -- water is a public utility in most places and as you already pointed out, it's subsidized. We have a right to education in this country, why should we not have a right to water as well? Fresh water is a scarce, natural resource whose ownership relies heavily on property law. What kind of situation could arise if the owners of all the fresh water sources decided to just stop selling or increase their prices 100 fold?

    I know it's not super libertarian of me, but I simply think that the further our society progresses, more things should come under the umbrella of being guaranteed. (Not talking Iphones but rather basic necessities) We can afford to provide drinking water to the few people who still can't afford it. We give billions to other countries, and any one needy American citizen could have fresh drinking water for about 5 cents a day.

    All of this is moot when it comes to the US because as we both kind of concluded, it's already pretty much defacto a right, and considering it's a natural resource I don't think it's too unreasonable to claim that it should be shared by all.
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