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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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    Yes we should pay for it, whether in taxes or as a private fee structure we should pay for it. I'm not necessarily opposed to public utilities for water and having basic usage come as a city service paid for by taxes.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The FAA is pretty efficient. How are you going to say its not?
    Because I've dealt with them. Even flew missions to cover areas when their systems failed.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Municipal systems are paid for by the taxes and fees from capitalist activities, you can't really separate them. And I guarantee you that if the population starts to fail on paying for basic services the markets will fail massively. It's all connected and the corporate/political elite cannot isolate themselves from the effects of how they run things.
    At best, a municipal water system is a monopoly sponsored by the local government. If it were actually a capitalist venture there would be multiple providers vying for a piece of the pie.

    Do you remember when Ma Bell had all the phone service? How much was a long distance call? After the breakup it took a few years but how much is long distance now?

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Everyone has to do a certain amount of labor to pay for taxes.
    Again, it depends. It wouldn't be slavery for example to pay a toll to use a road, but income taxes on the other hand involve making a slave of both the employer and the employee.

    So the state of our tax code equates to slavery then
    More or less.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Can you please stop playing these games, Sentinel? You made a straight proposition:



    And I gave you a straight rebuttal:



    I suppose that I am obliged before proceeding to ask you for an exact definition of "efficient," and you are obliged to PROVE that the private sector is inherently more "efficient" than the public sector at anything the two try to respectively do. Notice I said PROVE it, NOT "give examples." Examples are worthless here. (If you can't see why, then there is no sense in my continuing this any further.)

    Go.
    Wow, examples are not proof?

    Point out where I ever said that "the private sector is inherently more efficient"?

    And since you didn't answer, then I am going to have to assume that you don't actually know much at all about the agencies you mentioned.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Then you should have avoided the childish insults in post #48. Look, rephrase your position and let's go from there.
    Once again you need to reread who you are quoting and what is written. Post #48 is a good example where you replied to something I posted in a way that showed you didn't understand what you were responding to.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    At best, a municipal water system is a monopoly sponsored by the local government. If it were actually a capitalist venture there would be multiple providers vying for a piece of the pie.

    Do you remember when Ma Bell had all the phone service? How much was a long distance call? After the breakup it took a few years but how much is long distance now?
    Precisely, they are non-profit municipal utilities governed by community boards.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Can you please stop playing these games, Sentinel? You made a straight proposition:



    And I gave you a straight rebuttal:



    I suppose that I am obliged before proceeding to ask you for an exact definition of "efficient," and you are obliged to PROVE that the private sector is inherently more "efficient" than the public sector at anything the two try to respectively do. Notice I said PROVE it, NOT "give examples." Examples are worthless here. (If you can't see why, then there is no sense in my continuing this any further.)

    Go.
    And while your demanding others to "prove" their point, where exactly is your "proof", even an example, of what you say being accurate? Demanding that I prove you wrong does not translate to you being right.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?
    There is no such thing as 'free'. And shouldn't the question be, how much should the rest of society pay for the lack of priorities others have?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Wow, examples are not proof?
    Not when your sample is biased and when the sample size is much too small. Statistics 101.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And while your demanding others to "prove" their point, where exactly is your "proof", even an example, of what you say being accurate? Demanding that I prove you wrong does not translate to you being right.
    You are in no position to lecture me on logical reasoning. Your failed attempts at doing so will not be listened to, so you are wasting your efforts by trying.

    Point out where I ever said that "the private sector is inherently more efficient"?

    And since you didn't answer, then I am going to have to assume that you don't actually know much at all about the agencies you mentioned.
    Logic failures, childish insults, defensiveness...yep, you and I are pretty much done here. Good day, sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again you need to reread who you are quoting and what is written. Post #48 is a good example where you replied to something I posted in a way that showed you didn't understand what you were responding to.
    Geez, dude, you too please stop the defensiveness. Just state your case already.
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