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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    That's the city boy in you talking. Those who lease/own houses or even multiple family dwellings don't own water rights.

    I have a well. It costs about $6000.00. Now that's a lot of monthly water bills. And I have to pay for electricity to pump the water. I paid about 1000.00 for the filter system. I need to pay that much or more for a water softener. But I hate the feeling of softened water on my skin when I take a shower. Maintenance and supplies for those are expensive.

    But city water isn't normally from a well. Some cities transport water long distances. Even if it was from a well water, it would probably still go through some water management system and might even have to be purified. Thus the cost of water management plants and personnel.

    In addition to a water plant. It takes a lot of pipe to make water available in a city.

    So do manufacturers who make pipe...make it for free? Should the companies who must purchase very expensive heavy equipment and pay skilled labor to lay the pipe do it for free?

    The list goes on about everything it takes to get water to homes or dwellings.

    So who is to pay for all of the above labor, equipment, services..etc? Water is probably the most profound issue facing humanity today. It's all about da money. One day probably all water will have to be pumped and processed from oceans.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Lets see then. The Air Force spends how much on parts and maintenance because it flies antiquated Aircraft that Congress won't let them replace?
    What is the current Officer to enlisted ratio?
    After the draw down in the 1990's and the current one going on, how many General officers do we have?

    BTW, scandals about costs are part of efficiency.

    Have you ever actually served in the military?
    Can you please stop playing these games, Sentinel? You made a straight proposition:

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Nope. Bet you cannot point out a single part of the government or a single program that is actually efficiently ran.
    And I gave you a straight rebuttal:

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The Marines
    The Army
    The Navy
    The Air Force
    NASA
    NOAA

    Your move.
    I suppose that I am obliged before proceeding to ask you for an exact definition of "efficient," and you are obliged to PROVE that the private sector is inherently more "efficient" than the public sector at anything the two try to respectively do. Notice I said PROVE it, NOT "give examples." Examples are worthless here. (If you can't see why, then there is no sense in my continuing this any further.)

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Efficiency relates to costs and effort of completing a task, not whether the task is completed.

    You can drive a nail with a 20Lb sledge hammer or you and use a common claw hammer. The claw hammer is more efficient, but even with the sledge, the job still gets done.

    As I suggested, go look up the definition of efficiency.
    The FAA is pretty efficient. How are you going to say its not?


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It really depends on who is responsible for collecting the taxes and how those taxes are paid. If the people must provide their labor to pay the taxes
    Everyone has to do a certain amount of labor to pay for taxes.

    If the government is however collecting the taxes from people using a service voluntarily then it is not slavery.
    So the state of our tax code equates to slavery then


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The FAA is pretty efficient. How are you going to say its not?
    Because he's right and you're wrong. Judging by Sentinel's posts thus far, that is the basis of his arguments.

    He can disprove this with his actions.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If a man is stranded in the desert, where is his "right" to water?
    If he is stranded in the desert he probably should get out of the desert.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is the supplying of water a basic human right?

    If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?





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    'Should' is irrelevant. It costs money to treat and move water. We're going to pay for that one way or another, either directly, or through taxes. I prefer the direct system, so that those who use more, pay more.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If he is stranded in the desert he probably should get out of the desert.
    You don't know how he got there or what his circumstances are. You clearly want that man to die.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    A "basic amount"? How much is this? And who decides?
    some sort of independent commission should decide this.

    What about people with medical machines in their homes that require cleaning (and a lot of water)?
    Could be written off.

    What about businesses that specialize in power washing and carpet cleaning?
    What about them?

    Do they bring their own water supply with them, or do you face a greater tax burden for providing neighborhood beautification or simple health code compliance?
    They could buy access to a well.


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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You don't know how he got there or what his circumstances are. You clearly want that man to die.
    "left without the means to move from somewhere." When i think of stranded i think of an example like Sirahana. Plane crashes in the desert. They want to get out but cant. Hopefully if that is the case the man is rescued by the authorities.


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