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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A basic amount of water is provided to everyone. If you use more it will be taxed as a consumption tax.
    A "basic amount"? How much is this? And who decides? What about people with medical machines in their homes that require cleaning (and a lot of water)? What about businesses that specialize in power washing and carpet cleaning? Do they bring their own water supply with them, or do you face a greater tax burden for providing neighborhood beautification or simple health code compliance? When you consider the efficiency of urban life versus the greater need for infrastructure and miles driven with suburban sprawl (or rural life), why does the system that advocate urban centers implicitly support sprawl just to avoid something like a "water tax"? Can't have a well in the city... move out of the city. People will always adapt, and the dumber the regulation the more blatant the adaptation.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Your saying there are a lot of airplane crashes? That there are a lot of midair collisions? Man oh man! I better not fly ever again! Our airplanes are so unsafe because of our inefficient FAA!
    Efficiency relates to costs and effort of completing a task, not whether the task is completed.

    You can drive a nail with a 20Lb sledge hammer or you and use a common claw hammer. The claw hammer is more efficient, but even with the sledge, the job still gets done.

    As I suggested, go look up the definition of efficiency.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why only most of the time? All taxes are a action of redistribution and takes a service and labor to implement, collect, and pay. It satisfies all your "requirements" for slavery.
    It really depends on who is responsible for collecting the taxes and how those taxes are paid. If the people must provide their labor to pay the taxes then it is slavery. If the government is however collecting the taxes from people using a service voluntarily then it is not slavery.

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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if water is provided by the state it means only "lazy" people will get water?
    All people will get it, including those who do not provide for themselves and expect others to do it for them.

    By this same token, do you really expect you're not going to have to provide more services to fill the need of servicing more people? Unless, of course, you think you're going to be an aristocrat under the new regime...
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Exactly how many military spending scandals have there been? If you consider those agencies efficient, please don't ever try to run a business.
    You said efficiently-run, not scandal free. Stop moving the goalposts and admit that you lost this point. Or is that something you are unable to do?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A basic amount of water is provided to everyone. If you use more it will be taxed as a consumption tax.
    If a man is stranded in the desert, where is his "right" to water?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No. Housing, which includes water, in my opinion is a basic human right and should not have to pay for it. It should be provided.
    The problem is that you have a right to access water. You don't have a right to have it delivered to your house free of charge. The difference is clear. In Mexico, people are able to go to local wells and access water provided by the government. The government at no point is required to construct the pipes and infrastructure required and ensure everyone gets water in their homes. In short, that means that what you're paying for is the delivery of the water. You're not paying for the water itself.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Absolutely not!

    Municipal systems are necessary for certain functions but they shouldn't be confused with capitalist activities.

    As far as bailouts and "too big to fail", that's just bull****. Better to let a diseased entity that either can't be fixed or refuses to be fixed die. Their carcass serves as food for new and, hopefully, more sustainable entities.
    Municipal systems are paid for by the taxes and fees from capitalist activities, you can't really separate them. And I guarantee you that if the population starts to fail on paying for basic services the markets will fail massively. It's all connected and the corporate/political elite cannot isolate themselves from the effects of how they run things.



    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes, and that includes Corporations that should pay the going rate per gallon when they contaminate a water source, anywhere. I own property with multiple springs and I cannot see any justification for being made to pay for the water because I paid for the springs when I bought the property. When you move to a city, you know that these things must be provided by the infrastructure and you pay for the infrastructure because you think you will have more and better opportunities in a City.
    The city wants to get that money twice and tell the citizens it's a necessary fee for them to provide clean water.
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You said efficiently-run, not scandal free. Stop moving the goalposts and admit that you lost this point. Or is that something you are unable to do?
    Lets see then. The Air Force spends how much on parts and maintenance because it flies antiquated Aircraft that Congress won't let them replace?
    What is the current Officer to enlisted ratio?
    After the draw down in the 1990's and the current one going on, how many General officers do we have?

    BTW, scandals about costs are part of efficiency.

    Have you ever actually served in the military?
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    Re: Should we pay for water?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if water is provided by the state it means only "lazy" people will get water?
    Or, if you prefer, two people are stranded in a desert with only enough water for one to survive to leave it, who has the "right" to the water? Or should they both die?
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