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    Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Looking back at the last decade, I can't help but feel that Osama actually achieved his goals. What do you think?

    Even in Death, Did Osama Bin Laden Win? - Forbes

    In 2004, Bin Laden released a tape to Al-Jazeera where the former head of Al Qaeda laid out the purpose of the 9/11 attacks, and the organization’s goals. “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” Bin Laden said.

    In other words, the goal was not to defeat America in battle. The goal was not to bleed American resolve on the battlefield. The entire purpose of Al Qaeda’s attacks on America was to bleed America’s economy dry. By that standard, even in death, Bin Laden has clearly won.

    In January of 2001, as newly elected President George W. Bush prepared to take office, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report outlining its views on the tax revenue and government spending estimates for the remainder of the decade. The CBO predicted that, absent tax cuts or spending increases, the federal budget would remain in surplus throughout the decade. According to the CBO report, “Under current policies, total surpluses would accumulate to an estimated $2 trillion over the next five years and $5.6 trillion over the coming decade. Such large surpluses would be sufficient by 2006 to pay off all debt held by the public that will be available for redemption.”

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Not even close. Osama obviously wasn't a reader of Kensyian economics. 5.6 trillion is nothing.

    OBL's problem is he did not have a grasp of government expenditures. The scale needed to spend the US into bankruptcy was severely under estimated. It would need to be 100x the 5.6 trillion with an economic and domestic collapse as well as a reduction of allies willing to allow the US to borrow. OBL did however successfully bait the US but that's a double edged sword that would be terrorist wannabe's will be meeting their 72 virgins much earlier than I'm sure they expected.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Absolutely.

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    From Washington Post:

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    Did Osama bin Laden win? No. Did he succeed? Well, America is still standing, and he isn’t. So why, when I called Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a counterterrorism expert who specializes in al-Qaeda, did he tell me that “bin Laden has been enormously successful”? There’s no caliphate. There’s no sweeping sharia law. Didn’t we win this one in a clean knockout?

    Apparently not. Bin Laden, according to Gartenstein-Ross, had a strategy that we never bothered to understand, and thus that we never bothered to defend against. What he really wanted to do — and, more to the point, what he thought he could do — was bankrupt the United States of America. After all, he’d done the bankrupt-a-superpower thing before. And though it didn’t quite work out this time, it worked a lot better than most of us, in this exultant moment, are willing to admit.

    Bin Laden’s transition from scion of a wealthy family to terrorist mastermind came in the 1980s, when the Soviet Union was trying to conquer Afghanistan. Bin Laden was part of the resistance, and the resistance was successful — not only in repelling the Soviet invasion, but in contributing to the Communist super-state’s collapse a few years later. “We, alongside the mujaheddin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt,” he later explained.

    The campaign taught bin Laden a lot. For one thing, superpowers fall because their economies crumble, not because they’re beaten on the battlefield. For another, superpowers are so allergic to losing that they’ll bankrupt themselves trying to conquer a mass of rocks and sand. This was bin Laden’s plan for the United States, too.
    “He has compared the United States to the Soviet Union on numerous occasions — and these comparisons have been explicitly economic,” Gartenstein-Ross argued in a Foreign Policy article. “For example, in October 2004 bin Laden said that just as the Arab fighters and Afghan mujaheddin had destroyed Russia economically, al Qaeda was now doing the same to the United States, ‘continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy.’ ”

    For bin Laden, in other words, success was not to be measured in body counts. It was to be measured in deficits, in borrowing costs, in investments we weren’t able to make in our country’s continued economic strength. And by those measures, bin Laden landed a lot of blows.

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Looking back at the last decade, I can't help but feel that Osama actually achieved his goals. What do you think?
    The goal for Osama was the same as it was done for the Russians. Wait them out until they can no longer afford to fight the war.

    The simple fact is the U.S. trained an Army that did not want to fight for a corrupt government in Iraq. While the U.S. can fight wars, it cannot prevent corruption in governments. That is why the best course of action is to stay out of the M.E.

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Looking back at the last decade, I can't help but feel that Osama actually achieved his goals. What do you think?
    If you're interpretation of his goal is correct, then I'd still say he failed. While some people are living worse today than in 2000, most are living the same or better. We have more jobs available today than ever before. In 2000, our population was 281.4 million. National unemployment was 4%. Today, our population is around 317 million. Our national unemployment is about 6.3%. (May) As boomers age, unemployment will take a dive. The jobs they've held won't simply go away. I'd say we probably have a rosy future. (No thanks to OBL, of course.)

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    You know me and my Youtube clips. I had to include an appropriate one.


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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Osama didn't just bleed America of treasure, he had a huge impact on foreign policy, both during after the 9/11 attacks and right up through Obama's presidency. America is so war-weary that Obama couldn't muster support for military intervention if he wanted to. Then there's the Patriot Act, NSA surveillance, the ramped up security precautions throughout America, the divisiveness of politics; turning Americans against each other.

    Total investment: 19 men with box cutters

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Osama didn't just bleed America of treasure, he had a huge impact on foreign policy, both during after the 9/11 attacks and right up through Obama's presidency. America is so war-weary that Obama couldn't muster support for military intervention if he wanted to. Then there's the Patriot Act, NSA surveillance, the ramped up security precautions throughout America, the divisiveness of politics; turning Americans against each other.

    Total investment: 19 men with box cutters
    Think how he managed to grow our economy. Lots of good new jobs. Couldn't have made all those good government jobs without him.

    Your last line is thought-provoking.

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    Re: Did Osama Bin Laden achieve his goals?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Think how he managed to grow our economy. Lots of good new jobs. Couldn't have made all those good government jobs without him.

    Your last line is thought-provoking.
    I'm not going to pretend to be an economist, but it seems to me that the money spent on growing government, fighting terrorism, and paying Iraqis not to kill each other could have been spent on infrastructure, education, energy investment, and jobs that actually have a positive impact on the US.

    I could be wrong, and I'm willing to learn...

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