View Poll Results: Why doesn't America ever acknowledge Mestizos, continue to push WhiteBlack dichotomy?

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  • It's nationally advantageous for the dominant US socioracial factions.

    1 8.33%
  • The US is obsessed with the idea of a "white" and "black" national mindset.

    6 50.00%
  • Mestizos haven't the sociopolitical clout of black America is all.

    1 8.33%
  • Mestizos prefer to be labeled white rather than Mestizo.

    3 25.00%
  • Mestizos are culturally, politically "co-opted" by powerful socioracial factions into silence.

    2 16.67%
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Thread: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichotomy?

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'd say, from living in the South West US all my life, that yes, probably 75% at least, maybe higher, of Central American and or South American US citizens calling themselves Hispanic are in fact dark or not dark skinned Amerindians and or Mestizo mixes of Amerindian, Spanish and or other European ethnicity.


    It's interesting though because for instance, and I assumed it would happen and sure enough it did in this thread, a good percentage of South America has heavy European immigrant populations that skew Euro in their racial percentage, if not outright pure Euro, as in some of the previous pics from Brazil. So you end up with this clash of societal views of what is actually true in the US.

    South American Euro posters will come in and start screaming about how "Hispanic means white!" when they don't realize that here in the US every single dark skinned Amerindian, mestizo mix is calling themselves Hispanic. The South American Euros do not understand that in America Hispanic is not associated with "Caucasian" as it is in South America.
    That's true, Hispanic is not associated with Caucasian or white. Although it is not a race, for official stats to include the Census we treat it like one. I can see where there would be a bunch of confusion. I had never heard of a Mestizo, so I really appreciate the info.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Skin looks white... race negro.

    Do you have a point here, AT . ALL . ?

    Well let me hold your hand and connect the dots for you then.
    Can we intertwine our fingers too...

    I told our friend Zinthaniel he sounded like a nazi for using animal breeding terms to describe human relationships. (Well, that among other things, like talking about broad noses and the like).

    Nazi genocide, or really any racially-based genocide, is rooted in the ability to dehumanize the victim race. It's a psychological construct.
    Yeah... got it. Simple stuff. Thanks...

    ... are we still holding hands?

    His use of language is dehumanizing and racist, which makes him sound like a genocidal nazi.
    Sounds like you are reading way to much into what he is saying...

    ... but what I would like to know is, do you agree that humans are animals or not?

    If you do, then you wouldn't find an objection to his terminology.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'd say, from living in the South West US all my life, that yes, probably 75% at least, maybe higher, of Central American and or South American US citizens calling themselves Hispanic are in fact dark or not dark skinned Amerindians and or Mestizo mixes of Amerindian, Spanish and or other European ethnicity.


    It's interesting though because for instance, and I assumed it would happen and sure enough it did in this thread, a good percentage of South America has heavy European immigrant populations that skew Euro in their racial percentage, if not outright pure Euro, as in some of the previous pics from Brazil. So you end up with this clash of societal views of what is actually true in the US.

    South American Euro posters will come in and start screaming about how "Hispanic means white!" when they don't realize that here in the US every single dark skinned Amerindian, mestizo mix is calling themselves Hispanic. The South American Euros do not understand that in America Hispanic is not associated with "Caucasian" as it is in South America.

    I'm not South American. I'm half Swedish, 1/4 Italian, and 1/4 Danish.

    However, my grandfather and grandmother immigrated to Brazil and my dad was raised there. I grew up in Colorado but lived in Chile for 2 years of high school when my dad took an expat job over there.

    My roommate in college was a Brazilian.... with blonde hair and blue eyes.

    Way too many Americans are idiots who think "Mexican" is a race, think Brazil is spanish speaking, and think all of Latin America looks just like Mexico.

    If nothing else, maybe I've shown a few of them that they need to question their misconceptions.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Skin looks white... race negro.

    Do you have a point here, AT . ALL . ?



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    Yeah... got it. Simple stuff. Thanks...

    ... are we still holding hands?



    Sounds like you are reading way to much into what he is saying...

    ... but what I would like to know is, do you agree that humans are animals or not?

    If you do, then you wouldn't find an objection to his terminology.
    I think human beings have to be looked at differently from animals. For example, you wouldn't slaughter human beings and eat them, but you can enjoy a cheeseburger guilt-free.

    To equate humans with animals is a psychological disorder.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Skin looks white... race negro.

    Do you have a point here, AT . ALL . ?



    Can we intertwine our fingers too...



    Yeah... got it. Simple stuff. Thanks...

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    Sounds like you are reading way to much into what he is saying...

    ... but what I would like to know is, do you agree that humans are animals or not?

    If you do, then you wouldn't find an objection to his terminology.

    Also, "negro" is not a race. It's an offensive and antiquated term.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think human beings have to be looked at differently from animals. For example, you wouldn't slaughter human beings and eat them, but you can enjoy a cheeseburger guilt-free.

    To equate humans with animals is a psychological disorder.
    I am equating them biologically as a species... I am not doing what you seem to think... trying to compare them to us. I wouldn't compare a chipmunk to a Chimp either other than to say they are both animals.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Also, "negro" is not a race. It's an offensive and antiquated term.
    I thought I typed in negroid. Do you have a problem with that scientific term?
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    It should be noted that although there is still some racism and race-based classism in Latin America countries, they do not have the intense obsession with race seen in the USA. That is because the USA is fairly unique with its fairly recent history of laws making someone a second-rate citizen because they are partially non-white.

    "The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States for the social classification as Negro of individuals with any African ancestry; meaning any person with "one drop of Negro blood" was considered black. The principle of "invisible blackness" was an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status.[1]...

    The one-drop rule was not adopted as law until the 20th century: first in Tennessee in 1910 and in Virginia under the Racial Integrity Act of 1924 (following the passage of similar laws in several other states)....

    In the United States, European Americans usually classified people of partial American Indian descent as Indian, in a similar example of hypodescent. In the early years of these types of unions and marriages, the fathers were usually white and the mothers Indian...

    Whites also applied this rule to mixed-race descendants of Native American and African ethnicity, classifying them as African. In this they ignored how people identified themselves; many Native American tribes reared children of mixed race as culturally within their tribe. This distinction was critical as Native American slavery had ended during the colonial years, and a child of a Native American mother should not be enslaved...

    Among the colonial slave societies, the United States was nearly unique in developing the one-drop rule; it derived both from the Southern slave culture (shared by other societies) and the aftermath of the American Civil War, emancipation of slaves, and Reconstruction....

    In colonial Spanish America, many soldiers and explorers took indigenous women as wives. Native-born Spanish women were always a minority. The colonists developed an elaborate classification and caste system that identified the mixed-race descendants of blacks, Amerindians, and whites by different names, related to appearance and known ancestry. Racial caste not only depended on ancestry or skin color, but also could be raised or lowered by the person's financial status or class....

    ...racial culture shock has come to hundreds of thousands of dark-skinned immigrants to the United States from Brazil, Colombia, Panama, and other Latin American nations. Although many are not considered black in their homelands, they have often been considered black in US society."

    One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    It is true in the United States that we tend to think of black and white as the two most important races in our dialogue, and the others are usually an afterthought. This is unsurprising considering our national history. But the last thing we need is to keep dividing people. There is still an awful lot of mending to do, especially when it comes to the economic hardships faced by a few races, and so we cannot ignore race completely. But trying to determine how much of one race someone is and how much of another? That gets us nowhere, and sounds a lot like racial purity tests from previous centuries.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Mestizo is just a term for someone of mixed European and native American ancestry. It is the term used in Mexico, where most of the mestizos in the US came from.

    Of course, Mexico also has blacks, black and white mixed race people, black and Asian, Europeans from a variety of nations, so "Mexican" is not a race either, and neither is "Hispanic."

    And we don't need another racial or ethnic term. We are Americans. All of the citizens of this great land are Americans, regardless of where their ancestors came from. It's time we quit labeling people according to their perceived race/ethnicity/culture/ancestry.
    Well, in that case, I am Mestizo, since my great great great great great great grandmother was native American. Married a French Huguenot man.

    This probably makes me eligible for that 'La Raza' movement, too. Ya'll get outta my country
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