View Poll Results: Why doesn't America ever acknowledge Mestizos, continue to push WhiteBlack dichotomy?

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  • It's nationally advantageous for the dominant US socioracial factions.

    1 8.33%
  • The US is obsessed with the idea of a "white" and "black" national mindset.

    6 50.00%
  • Mestizos haven't the sociopolitical clout of black America is all.

    1 8.33%
  • Mestizos prefer to be labeled white rather than Mestizo.

    3 25.00%
  • Mestizos are culturally, politically "co-opted" by powerful socioracial factions into silence.

    2 16.67%
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Thread: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichotomy?

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    A 100% African person, a 100% Chinese person can be "Hispanic". Hispanic is not a race. It is a culture just as Christianity is a religion.
    Very true- though most Hispanics do share certain physical cahracteristics.

    That aside, I am 100% European background. I have learned to speak, read and write spanish fluently. I am also of the same religion as most Hispanics and having travelled and volunteered in Mexico, I have more knowledge of some Hispanic foods and cultural norms than some heavily acculturated hispanics do.

    So, because I share these cultural characteristics with many Hispanics, heck over the years, a few immigrant hispanics have mistaken me for being a light complected hispanic, can I check "hispanic" on application forms ala Senator Elizabeth "Fakeohauntas" Warren?
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Slurring your words, sounds like jive and Ebonics mixed, but dat's oookkk, ah knowed whad you ment.
    Jus a bad speler...he sed i wuz undjamacated.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Very true- though most Hispanics do share certain physical cahracteristics.

    That aside, I am 100% European background. I have learned to speak, read and write spanish fluently. I am also of the same religion as most Hispanics and having travelled and volunteered in Mexico, I have more knowledge of some Hispanic foods and cultural norms than some heavily acculturated hispanics do.

    So, because I share these cultural characteristics with many Hispanics, heck over the years, a few immigrant hispanics have mistaken me for being a light complected hispanic, can I check "hispanic" on application forms ala Senator Elizabeth "Fakeohauntas" Warren?


    This is actually pretty common.

    I remember having avowed Socialist professors at university who were 100% European, old Englishman looking guys, and these guys knew more about Amerindian culture than the actual Amerindians even cared to know. It was always sorta sad actually because the Amerindian kids in this college class wouldn't even know they were Amerindians.. They'd sit there and give detailed, horribly ignorant intellectual attempts at proclaiming themselves "Hispanic" as their race, which absolutely killed this little leftist white Euro professor who was trying to instill respect in them for who they really are. Naturally they never even came close to grasping that there is no Hispanic race, you're either Amerindian or European or African or a mix of the two, three (Mestizo).

    Then again, you see that same ignorance in this thread. People running around screaming they're of the Hispanic or white race when the irony is Nobody in the world is of the Hispanic or white race because they don't exist. Lol.......


    We are still in the intellectual primordial period of our species intellectual acceptance that much is for sure.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Then again, you see that same ignorance in this thread. People running around screaming they're of the Hispanic or white race when the irony is Nobody in the world is of the Hispanic or white race because they don't exist. Lol.......
    As a side note, modern anthropology is increasingly rejecting the concept of "race" as inherently inaccurate and are instead categorizing humans into about 30 DNA based hapalong groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    This is actually pretty common.
    I beleive it. I once knew another spanish speaking "huero" who though opposed to affirmative action, transformed himself into a hispanic for purposes of employment. When his extremely light complection and anglo Irish last name was noted, he just switched to using fluent Spanish and accurately pointed out that "hispanic" is a mixed and multi racial culture rather than a "race".

    As for myself, I have never seriously considered "going Warren". I have never felt Hispanic, despite my ability to linguistically and to degrees, culturally and appereance wise pass for one. I would probably start laughing during an interview if I even attempted a "Warren".
    Last edited by Cryptic; 06-25-14 at 06:29 PM.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    No, white is not a race (holy god I have to say that lol?). European is a race in general terms. White is a complexion. An Arab can be white but not European, and a European white but not Arab. You understand?
    Can you give us an unequivocal definition of what 'race' means? How many races are there, and please list them? And, of course, state your academic sources. What convenient boxes a government agency dreams up to help it classify its population does not count as prima facie evidence that distinct races even exist.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Can you give us an unequivocal definition of what 'race' means? How many races are there, and please list them?
    Generally speaking, there are two. Us and them.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Arabs have white skin. You don't consider them European though do you? Of course not, neither do they.
    So, what race are Arabs?

    There is no such thing as white. You're either European, Chinese, Amerindian, African, Japanese
    You're claiming that Japanese and Chinese are two distinct races? Bizarre!
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Generally speaking, there are two. Us and them.
    I'd 'like' that if the system let me.
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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    As a side note, modern anthropology is increasingly rejecting the concept of "race" as inherently inaccurate and are instead categorizing humans into about 30 DNA based hapalong groups.


    I beleive it. I once knew another spanish speaking "huero" who though opposed to affirmative action, transformed himself into a hispanic for purposes of employment. When his extremely light complection and anglo Irish last name was noted, he just switched to using fluent Spanish and accurately pointed out that "hispanic" is a mixed and multi racial culture rather than a "race".

    As for myself, I have never seriously considered "going Warren". I have never felt Hispanic, despite my ability to linguistically and to degrees, culturally and appereance wise pass for one. I would probably start laughing during an interview if I even attempted a "Warren".

    I'd abuse the sh*t out of any "PC race sh*t" you can. People are ****ing crazy. Especially these days. Truth is, that stuff works.


    99% of people anywhere are complete idiots on the topic of race to begin with as this thread shows, and of those 99%, 98% have "strong" inaccurate views on race which compound their idiocy. So it's an extremely manipulable system if you understand the basic "popular ignorance" of the day which is not hard to do. I'm a visibly northern Euro guy but live and was born here in America and I've manipulated the hell out of most Americans ignorance of race. I've been Swedish, Russian and many more because people are entirely image based and will believe anything that sounds even remotely sophisticated.

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    Re: Will America ever acknowledge Mestizos or continue to push the White/Black dichot

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Didnt vote.

    Also didnt realize we needed anymore labels.
    That's because we'd actually be better off with fewer labels.
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