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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, there is an alternative, but it isn't very popular.
    Is that supposed to be funny? The alternative is to use valid actuarial risk factors for setting health insurance premium rates, just as was done by the states for medical care insurance prior to PPACA and continues to be the case for other forms of "private" insurance. To place such severe, and arbitrary, restrictions on actuarial health risk factors is political correctness run amok.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    OK, well, that was a little convoluted, but I think I get what you are saying. But bear in mind that obesity is not always caused by over eating. There are medications and metabolic illnesses that cause people who eat reasonably to be obese.
    The point is that aging is a completely natural process and not caused by "wrong" living. Both obesity and age are valid actuarial medical care insurance risk factors yet obesity was dropped by a federal gov't mandate.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    People who are overweight, people who do drugs, people who smoke, people who engage in hazardous activities (motorcycle racing, base jumping), people who refuse to exercise, all should pay more for health care.

    People who have medical conditions that they can't change through a change of lifestyle should not.

    The rationale is to provide an incentive to change unhealthy lifestyle choices.
    I think that says it all.

    You wanna eat donuts instead of apples...you should pay for your higher medical costs.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I'm not overweight, I'm in Good shape and probably will never be overweight, but being overweight doesn't always mean that you're unhealthy.

    The distinction should be made between real obesity and what most people would assume is being obesd.

    My Grandmother is in her 90s, and as far back as I can remember she was a Big woman.

    She was very active, kept a huge garden and even smoked.

    Started when she was 16.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is that supposed to be funny? The alternative is to use valid actuarial risk factors for setting health insurance premium rates, just as was done by the states for medical care insurance prior to PPACA and continues to be the case for other forms of "private" insurance. To place such severe, and arbitrary, restrictions on actuarial health risk factors is political correctness run amok.
    No, the alternative to getting old is to die young. It's not a popular option.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, the alternative to getting old is to die young. It's not a popular option.
    Which has ZERO bearing on medical care insurance premium rates since premiums cease upon death.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?
    What is this, grasping at a chance to feel morally superior? Like, fat people are fat because they lack character? Because they don't resist temptation like slim people?
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think it's disgraceful that people continue to make such suggestions to penalize people who suffer from genetic imperfections and being fat has as much to do with genetics as anything else and medical science is becoming more aware of the connections every day.
    Can you tell us what percentage of overweight people are in that condition due to genetics and which ones are there because of over eating? Don't tire yourself looking, the statistics don't seem to exist. However, what does exist is a an overlap between poverty, overeating, bad nutrition and obesity. Only 33% of Americans meet the suggested fruit servings per day. 27% eat the suggested vegetable servings. Inversely, 2/3rds of Americans have some sort of weight problem. That's just the nutritional aspect of things.

    As far as exercise goes, 50% of Americans simply don't and 80% don't get the exercise they should. So what does that tell us? We're eating crappy food and exercising less.

    Finally, the poor seem to have it worst when it comes to obesity within the American landscape.

    Based on a large national study, body mass index (or BMI, an indicator of excess body fat) was higher every year between 1986 and 2002 among adults in the lowest income group and the lowest education group than among those in the highest income and education groups, respectively (Truong & Sturm, 2005).
    So in short, while there is no definitive statistic we know a few things that are definitely making people fatter:

    1. Bad nutrition.
    2. Lack of exercise.
    3. Being so uneducated/poor they can't make (for financial/economic reasons) healthier choices.

    All of those things could be corrected, however the mentality in America is that any attempt at fixing the problem is a restriction of freedoms. So why should people who do the exact opposite and make the correct lifestyle choices pay more for the large numbers of people who don't?

    http://health.usnews.com/health-news...-unhealthy-cdc
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-80-p...nded-exercise/
    http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-a...ht-or-obesity/
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you tell us what percentage of overweight people are in that condition due to genetics and which ones are there because of over eating?
    You forgot don't exercise enough. I am fat because I eat too much, AND I don't exercise enough.
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