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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So you believe that it is OK for a person to go out and do things that will destroy his body and then the populace has the responsibility to replace his heart, liver, lungs, whatever he has destroyed of his own free will? That seems like a pretty lopsided house you live in there, ML.
    I think what he is arguing is that people who don't destroy their bodies are caught in the same net as those who are. They are caught in the same net because the medical establishment no longer cares about patients, they care about profit margins. I don't necessarily agree with everything he said but he does have a point. For profit medical treatment has proven too expensive even for someone who becomes ill after a relatively healthy life.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    that depends-if they incur more medical expenses as a result of being fat-perhaps

    some heavy people don't have many medical issues. you seem to want to impose costs merely for being overweight as opposed to racking up more bills.



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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So you believe that it is OK for a person to go out and do things that will destroy his body and then the populace has the responsibility to replace his heart, liver, lungs, whatever he has destroyed of his own free will? That seems like a pretty lopsided house you live in there, ML.
    I think you are misreading my post. It wouldn't cost a cent of taxpayer money to do this simply put the federal government would regulate and MANDATE the health care industry (Manufacturers, hospitals, and doctors) to set their prices at a Reasonable profit margin ie. 2-1 or 1.5-1 or w/e. I am not sure what the profit margin on procedures are compared to the cost to make and upkeep them, but I am sure that the industry is lucritavely over profitable and that regulating the prices based on maximum allowable margin of profit would be more sensible than trying to regulate the insurance industry.

    Leave insurance out and go for the healthcare professionals and manufacturers.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Something about glass houses here. We all, or at least everyone I've ever come across, have at least one habit/way of doing things that falls well within that damaging category. And no, not all of society pays, just the other folks in their shared pool called insurance.
    Whether something is medically damaging can often be a matter of degree. An ounce of alcohol a day is beneficial. Also, diabetes is not always lifestyle related.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No. Your attempt at shaming people who don't fit your societal standards will not affect the people whose pictures you posted. They can afford higher costs for healthcare. Your idea will disproportionately affect the poor, who many of already can't afford quality healthcare, and those who still choose to go to a doctor despite the increased cost will be more likely to become more obese because they will have to turn to cheap, unhealthy food, as many of the poor already have done.

    I'm sorry but that's just not an answer. I'm by no means a political conservative or progressive, but to have a position of, as you do, "Well poor people all eat fattening food so we have to base everything our society does off that reality" is deeply flawed any way you cut it.

    Poor people are always going to eat fattening food, no matter what. They're uneducated and that's why. They smoke. They don't exercise. They don't use birth control. They have children at 17. It isn't a matter of wealth. Eating healthy can be extremely cheap too. Eating fattening foods is actually rather expensive. It isn't cheap as you claim it is. MacDonald's takes money. The grocery store is cheaper by far.


    Either way, as a liberal poster posted previously, fat people actually do end up over long periods of time paying more for health care, obviously, but not near enough compared to what they end up costing non fat people in the short and medium term.


    If a fat person has to make 15 doctor trips from age 50-60 and a non fat person has to make 5 doctor trips from 50-60, how is that fair that the non fat persons bills are heavily influenced by the fat persons as obviously the industry does? It is basically indirect theft of people who stay healthy.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    I think you are misreading my post. It wouldn't cost a cent of taxpayer money to do this simply put the federal government would regulate and MANDATE the health care industry (Manufacturers, hospitals, and doctors) to set their prices at a Reasonable profit margin ie. 2-1 or 1.5-1 or w/e. I am not sure what the profit margin on procedures are compared to the cost to make and upkeep them, but I am sure that the industry is lucritavely over profitable and that regulating the prices based on maximum allowable margin of profit would be more sensible than trying to regulate the insurance industry.

    Leave insurance out and go for the healthcare professionals and manufacturers.
    Well, I worked in healthcare for years. And I hate to tell you but doctors are the greediest people in the world. Not only that, the AMA is the largest and most powerful PAC in the US. No one in government is going to 'go for' them. They carry too much political clout. And then when you factor in the people who have fallen for the 'oh I can't afford my malpractice insurance' BS, you have it piled hip deep. I am a mid level provider. If doctors don't want to get sued they should stop malpracticing. No one forces them to overbook and run people through like cattle. They do that all by their lonesome.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'm sorry but that's just not an answer. I'm by no means a political conservative or progressive, but to have a position of, as you do, "Well poor people all eat fattening food so we have to base everything our society does off that reality" is deeply flawed any way you cut it.

    Poor people are always going to eat fattening food, no matter what. They're uneducated and that's why. They smoke. They don't exercise. They don't use birth control. They have children at 17. It isn't a matter of wealth. Eating healthy can be extremely cheap too. Eating fattening foods is actually rather expensive. It isn't cheap as you claim it is. MacDonald's takes money. The grocery store is cheaper by far.


    Either way, as a liberal poster posted previously, fat people actually do end up over long periods of time paying more for health care, obviously, but not near enough compared to what they end up costing non fat people in the short and medium term.


    If a fat person has to make 15 doctor trips from age 50-60 and a non fat person has to make 5 doctor trips from 50-60, how is that fair that the non fat persons bills are heavily influenced by the fat persons as obviously the industry does? It is basically indirect theft of people who stay healthy.
    OK, well, that was a little convoluted, but I think I get what you are saying. But bear in mind that obesity is not always caused by over eating. There are medications and metabolic illnesses that cause people who eat reasonably to be obese.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    How about older people? Oh right, Obamacare took care of that one. The older you get the higher your rates go.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    OK, well, that was a little convoluted, but I think I get what you are saying. But bear in mind that obesity is not always caused by over eating. There are medications and metabolic illnesses that cause people who eat reasonable to be obese.
    Yeah but those aren't the norms.

    I mean really, why should I, as a 174 pound 6ft tall guy pay medical costs in my twenties that are ballooned by virtual hippo creatures in their 40's and 50's who sit around all day screaming at IQ 57's running around on fields full of illegal cattle growth hormones?


    I think that's unfair.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    People who are overweight, people who do drugs, people who smoke, people who engage in hazardous activities (motorcycle racing, base jumping), people who refuse to exercise, all should pay more for health care.

    People who have medical conditions that they can't change through a change of lifestyle should not.

    The rationale is to provide an incentive to change unhealthy lifestyle choices.
    Like guys that cut trees down, or go down into ditches to dig, or welders, or boilermakers, or roofers, or chemists, or textile workers, or farmers, or steel workers on bridges, or deep sea fishermen, or doctors and nurses that deal with infectious diseases, or firefighters, or paramedics, or cops? Can't they change their hazardous lifestyle choices by changing jobs?

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