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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Being fat is a condition of epilepsy? Of mental retardation?

    On the other hand obesity is often a major contributor to the onset of Type II diabetes. There is a great deal of research that indicates major weight loss and physical activity can and does greatly lessen the affects of diabetes II to the point of reducing or obviating the need for medication, improving circulation, reducing blood pressure and cholesterol and thus reduces overall medical costs.
    Actually, the antiseizure drugs do cause metabolic changes and weight gain. Mental retardation as well as other birth defects are often tied to something like substance abuse.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    The research is there that smoking is hazardous to your health. Living prudently, using good hygiene, eating a healthy diet, driving while sober are all things that should be rewarded, not punished by making the person promoting his/her own good health pay for the bad habits of others which have been statistically shown to cause illness.
    So, studies have shown it is definitely not healthy living in a city with an inversion layer. Should the folks living in LA and Sacramento pay more? And you still haven't answered, what about the thin folks? What about bicycle riders - it's a very dangerous activity.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Some of those aren't preventable.....

    How can you even begin to compare those??? Tells us a lot about your intelligence..
    Age is not preventable either yet PPACA allows for up to a 300% premium rate increase based on age alone.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Ugh.... being a libertarian it KILLS me to say this, but subsidizing insurance isn't the answer to address costs for health realted procedures. I personally (And yes as a libertarian kills me to say this) believe that health care is such an intresnic necessity in our society that I think the fed should PRICE FIX all medical procedures and supplies from manufacturing up. IE... a Max allowable profit margin for manufacturers or private doctors. Subsidized insurance is a failure and fails to address the elephant which is the OBSENELY profitable medical sector.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, studies have shown it is definitely not healthy living in a city with an inversion layer. Should the folks living in LA and Sacramento pay more? And you still haven't answered, what about the thin folks? What about bicycle riders - it's a very dangerous activity.
    I think you have posed a very good question regarding air quality. I have to confess that is one I hadn't really considered. I know it is worse in some areas. At the time I moved away from here dirty streaky roofs were only seen in big cities. Now, even out here in rural Kentucky, my roof looks just like the ones in large cities. Respiratory isn't really my area, and I can't cite any studies on that aspect other than the ones on smoking which are generally common knowledge. Sorry. I assume you mean riding bicycles and not motor bikes. The cardiovascular benefit of riding a bicycle should offset the danger if you ride where it is safe to do so and take all the proper precautions.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Ugh.... being a libertarian it KILLS me to say this, but subsidizing insurance isn't the answer to address costs for health realted procedures. I personally (And yes as a libertarian kills me to say this) believe that health care is such an intresnic necessity in our society that I think the fed should PRICE FIX all medical procedures and supplies from manufacturing up. IE... a Max allowable profit margin for manufacturers or private doctors. Subsidized insurance is a failure and fails to address the elephant which is the OBSENELY profitable medical sector.
    So you believe that it is OK for a person to go out and do things that will destroy his body and then the populace has the responsibility to replace his heart, liver, lungs, whatever he has destroyed of his own free will? That seems like a pretty lopsided house you live in there, ML.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?
    If smokers should, then yeah. Same with drinkers and druggers. Smokers get demonized by society in general these days, when obesity seems to be associated with far more medical problems.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Perhaps this post really should be a thread of its own. But smoking has been mentioned as costly to the system which it definitely is if someone gets a lung transplant. But here is an aspect that many have never considered:

    WASHINGTON — Smoking takes years off your life and adds dollars to the cost of health care. Yet nonsmokers cost society money, too — by living longer.

    It's an element of the debate over tobacco that some economists and officials find distasteful.

    House members described huge health care costs associated with smoking as they approved landmark legislation last week giving the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco products. No one mentioned the additional costs to society of caring for a nonsmoking population that lives longer.

    Supporters of the FDA bill cited figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that smokers cost the country $96 billion a year in direct health care costs, and an additional $97 billion a year in lost productivity.

    A White House statement supporting the bill, which awaits action in the Senate, echoed the argument by contending that tobacco use "accounts for over a $100 billion annually in financial costs to the economy."


    However, smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs.

    Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.
    Do smokers cost society money? - USATODAY.com

    Obviously I can't post the entire article, but it is worth going to the link and reading it. The people who cost society the most are those who live the longest requiring expensive end of life care. Not smokers who die in early to mid 50s.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So you believe that it is OK for a person to go out and do things that will destroy his body and then the populace has the responsibility to replace his heart, liver, lungs, whatever he has destroyed of his own free will? That seems like a pretty lopsided house you live in there, ML.
    Something about glass houses here. We all, or at least everyone I've ever come across, have at least one habit/way of doing things that falls well within that damaging category. And no, not all of society pays, just the other folks in their shared pool called insurance.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Cyclists breathe car fumes, motorcyclists are regularly knocked off their bikes, climbers fall off mountains. The most equitable way to deal with health risk is the spread it among the maximum number along with the cost. UHC, with education for those at higher risk among the general population, is the logical answer.
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