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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That's possible.

    I will be 50 on my next birthday, but I have managed to lose close to 50 lbs in the last two and a half years. That's a little less than a half lb a week, but I haven't exactly starved myself doing it, and I certainly don't spend hours in the gym every day. Matter of fact, up until about a month ago, I just exercised at home.
    Congratulations on your weight loss. You aren't supposed to starve yourself, just to eat in moderation.

    I wasn't saying it isn't possible with hard work and motivation; I just think it is more difficult as a person ages and his or her metabolism is slower.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Fatness is easy though. It's easy for any medical professional to diagnose you as medically fat. It is not "up in the air whether you're medically fat". You either are or you aren't.


    It's also the culture of fatness that revolts me. It's important that a society can say someone's fat. Fat people not being able to be called fat is a bad thing for those people. It's bad for their children. It's bad for their friends. All because nobody can speak honestly with them. I would even argue that one reason we have so much PC nonsense in America is because most adult Americans are fat. If we can't as a society even admit to being fat asses, what hope can we admit to anything else?
    Yeah well there are different levels of "fat" too. Some people are just chubby whereas others are ginormous!

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well the collective crap is the problem. Not all people share the same body type but a collectivist thinker can't wrap his/her head around that one. But hey you want collectivism then make it fair. They went after smokers and made them pay more so add the fat people. Why not those who use legal drugs that compromise their health? Better charge them more too. How about adding those with lousy driving records that look like an accident waiting to happen? Yep they should pay more. What about people who sit at a damn computer all day as study after study show this puts people at all kinds of health risks? Better add their sorry asses too.
    This is my point exactly. Where does it end? There are all kinds of things that people might do that are going to be unhealthy or risky.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Fatness is easy though. It's easy for any medical professional to diagnose you as medically fat. It is not "up in the air whether you're medically fat". You either are or you aren't.


    It's also the culture of fatness that revolts me. It's important that a society can say someone's fat. Fat people not being able to be called fat is a bad thing for those people. It's bad for their children. It's bad for their friends. All because nobody can speak honestly with them. I would even argue that one reason we have so much PC nonsense in America is because most adult Americans are fat. If we can't as a society even admit to being fat asses, what hope can we admit to anything else?
    Basically you are saying that if the results of their unhealthy choices are obvious, then they should be targeted to pay more and if you can hide your bad habits because there is no real physical evidence on the outside you shouldn't have to pay more. Because you find fatness to be revolting isn't a good enough excuse to target them over increase medical premiums without holding everyone else to the same standards. There isn't one of us who is void of a habit that may result in poor health. Hate is a pretty strong emotion that many are prone to and it can cause hypertension and heart disease. Maybe those who hate should pay higher premiums.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Fatness is easy though. It's easy for any medical professional to diagnose you as medically fat. It is not "up in the air whether you're medically fat". You either are or you aren't...
    What is the medical standard metric for determining that?
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yeah well there are different levels of "fat" too. Some people are just chubby whereas others are ginormous!
    Different levels of fat?

    Lol.. This is definitely not a heavy under 30 user forum that's for sure..

    Hearing the statement "There are different levels of fat" is pretty astounding frankly from my generational standpoint. I actually have to sit and mentally digest that for a bit as "Ohhhh, whoa, she's actually serious".

    I guess there technically are different levels of fat, but it's like saying "There's different levels of cancer so stop being so judgmental, my level is acceptable". It's just unfathomable to me.



    Like my point I guess is.. Okay, so you go to college, you get the degree, you get the job, you get the car, you get the apartment or house, you get the clothes, the pets............ But you're 30-40 pounds overweight. So let's see then. You have the car but you can't utilize its ability to get you women because you're fat. You have the job but you can't get women over the guy with an associates because...... you're fat. You have the clothes, the house, apt, pets........ but you can't get, keep a woman, man because you're fat.....


    I just can't see how anybody could go through life accomplishing things yet leave the most important part totally neglected.. Their body. It's amazing to me. I see it all the time. Infuriated fat men that are making 50-100k a year yet cannot land an attractive woman for the life of them. The same with fat women, no men, always single. My point is, it isn't going to help you having accomplishments if the main accomplishment that says the most about you, your body, is a failure.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Can't believe that pic of Kirstie Alley.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Different levels of fat?

    Lol.. This is definitely not a heavy under 30 user forum that's for sure..

    Hearing the statement "There are different levels of fat" is pretty astounding frankly from my generational standpoint. I actually have to sit and mentally digest that for a bit as "Ohhhh, whoa, she's actually serious".

    I guess there technically are different levels of fat, but it's like saying "There's different levels of cancer so stop being so judgmental, my level is acceptable". It's just unfathomable to me.



    Like my point I guess is.. Okay, so you go to college, you get the degree, you get the job, you get the car, you get the apartment or house, you get the clothes, the pets............ But you're 30-40 pounds overweight. So let's see then. You have the car but you can't utilize its ability to get you women because you're fat. You have the job but you can't get women over the guy with an associates because...... you're fat. You have the clothes, the house, apt, pets........ but you can't get, keep a woman, man because you're fat.....


    I just can't see how anybody could go through life accomplishing things yet leave the most important part totally neglected.. Their body. It's amazing to me. I see it all the time. Infuriated fat men that are making 50-100k a year yet cannot land an attractive woman for the life of them. The same with fat women, no men, always single. My point is, it isn't going to help you having accomplishments if the main accomplishment that says the most about you, your body, is a failure.
    Oh jeez! Well, thankfully I'm not fat. I might not be able to use my car! Just because people don't agree with your assertions does not mean they are fat, silly!

    I for one believe in personal freedom and I believe in as LITTLE government (or employer or insurance company) interference in our lives as possible. The few dollars more you would pay on your premium is not worth all of this complaining you are doing.

    Yes, there are different levels of fat. I cannot believe that has to be explained to you. Just look at the picture you posted of that actor and the picture I posted of the fat lady (earlier in the thread). Obviously the obese woman is going to have many more health issues than the mildly overweight person.

    You keep referring to yourself as under 30. How old are you anyway? Under 18 I imagine, judging by your lack of self control.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Different levels of fat?

    Lol.. This is definitely not a heavy under 30 user forum that's for sure..

    Hearing the statement "There are different levels of fat" is pretty astounding frankly from my generational standpoint. I actually have to sit and mentally digest that for a bit as "Ohhhh, whoa, she's actually serious".


    I guess there technically are different levels of fat, but it's like saying "There's different levels of cancer so stop being so judgmental, my level is acceptable". It's just unfathomable to me.



    Like my point I guess is.. Okay, so you go to college, you get the degree, you get the job, you get the car, you get the apartment or house, you get the clothes, the pets............ But you're 30-40 pounds overweight. So let's see then. You have the car but you can't utilize its ability to get you women because you're fat. You have the job but you can't get women over the guy with an associates because...... you're fat. You have the clothes, the house, apt, pets........ but you can't get, keep a woman, man because you're fat.....


    I just can't see how anybody could go through life accomplishing things yet leave the most important part totally neglected.. Their body. It's amazing to me. I see it all the time. Infuriated fat men that are making 50-100k a year yet cannot land an attractive woman for the life of them. The same with fat women, no men, always single. My point is, it isn't going to help you having accomplishments if the main accomplishment that says the most about you, your body, is a failure.
    Lots of "fat" people find mates, eventually most of them do, sometimes very attractive mates. If they make substantially more than $100k, I'd imagine that it becomes quite easy to find a mate, regardless of weight. The buck often trumps the body.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, there are different levels of fat. I cannot believe that has to be explained to you. Just look at the picture you posted of that actor and the picture I posted of the fat lady (earlier in the thread). Obviously the obese woman is going to have many more health issues than the mildly overweight person. .

    Well I suppose what I should say instead, and what is more accurate, is that there are different levels of health. Judged from a healthy (no fat, not even 5 pounds overweight) persons point of view, the idea that there exist "Better levels of fat" is truly hilarious is all I mean to say. In my opinion being 5 pounds overweight would even be worse than 20 because at least with 20 you can play to the letter the fat person card, whereas with 5 it's just outright shameful neglect.

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