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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I say yes for a simple reason: You take more natural resources for ill reasons then you should pay more medical bills for the same ill reasons.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    The worst part (and most obvious from within this thread) is the lack of shame and denial by fat Americans. I know it's a real phenomena because I work with grown men and women of all ages and demographics who are a good 40 pounds overweight. When 70% of your workforce is 40 or more pounds overweight what it creates is an "Obesity Fascism" of sorts. Nobody is allowed to really talk about it or even talk about weight because 7 out of 10 employees are medically fat. It's pathetic. They even pretend they're in shape sometimes out of that despicable little consumerist dogma of "individualism" when there's absolutely nothing "individualist" about eating Twinkies from a major corporation every day then passing the tab of your medical bills to everybody else.
    It swings both ways, though. I'm pretty sure they didn't make a size "00" when I was growing up.

    These days, for *whatever* reason, an "average" body type is a rarity.

    Or, we've all been brainwashed to the point where no one can accurately describe "average" to begin with.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    It swings both ways, though. I'm pretty sure they didn't make a size "00" when I was growing up.

    These days, for *whatever* reason, an "average" body type is a rarity.

    Or, we've all been brainwashed to the point where no one can accurately describe "average" to begin with.

    I'm just sick of hearing fat 30 and 40 year old's walk around claiming "Individual Liberty" while being fat. It's sick and completely contradictory.

    It's not individualism if you're weighing down collectively your societies healthcare system by being fat, which you are. These people are simply idiots. I honestly believe that's what most of American conservatism is, simply misguided fat people trying to find a valid excuse for letting themselves go completely.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    It swings both ways, though. I'm pretty sure they didn't make a size "00" when I was growing up.

    These days, for *whatever* reason, an "average" body type is a rarity.

    Or, we've all been brainwashed to the point where no one can accurately describe "average" to begin with.
    If you look at the people playing in the world cup, they mostly have an average body type. So do the members of active cycling clubs, water polo teams, basketball players, avid hikers, long distance runners, and anyone with an active lifestyle.

    The human body was not designed to be sedentary.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'm just sick of hearing fat 30 and 40 year old's walk around claiming "Individual Liberty" while being fat. It's sick and completely contradictory.

    It's not individualism if you're weighing down collectively your societies healthcare system by being fat, which you are. These people are simply idiots. I honestly believe that's what most of American conservatism is, simply misguided fat people trying to find a valid excuse for letting themselves go completely.
    But it is not a valid excuse, its a rationalization.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I suspect that part of the reason that so many people are fat an out of shape is that they don't realize how easy or fullfilling it is to be not fat and out of shape. All it takes is a modification of their diet, and a half hour of exercise or so a day, four or five days a week.

    Or maybe they don't believe that they can do it, maybe they just think that being in shape is only for "lucky people", just like they think that making a decent living is only for people who are lucky.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I suspect that part of the reason that so many people are fat an out of shape is that they don't realize how easy or fullfilling it is to be not fat and out of shape. All it takes is a modification of their diet, and a half hour of exercise or so a day, four or five days a week.

    Or maybe they don't believe that they can do it, maybe they just think that being in shape is only for "lucky people", just like they think that making a decent living is only for people who are lucky.
    Maybe it depends on how long they have been overweight. I'm betting the older you are, the more difficult it is to lose the weight. Slower metabolism, etc. I read somewhere (not sure how true it is) that women over 40 have to exercise for at least an hour a day just to maintain their current weight.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Maybe it depends on how long they have been overweight. I'm betting the older you are, the more difficult it is to lose the weight. Slower metabolism, etc. I read somewhere (not sure how true it is) that women over 40 have to exercise for at least an hour a day just to maintain their current weight.
    That's possible.

    I will be 50 on my next birthday, but I have managed to lose close to 50 lbs in the last two and a half years. That's a little less than a half lb a week, but I haven't exactly starved myself doing it, and I certainly don't spend hours in the gym every day. Matter of fact, up until about a month ago, I just exercised at home.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I'm just sick of hearing fat 30 and 40 year old's walk around claiming "Individual Liberty" while being fat. It's sick and completely contradictory.

    It's not individualism if you're weighing down collectively your societies healthcare system by being fat, which you are. These people are simply idiots. I honestly believe that's what most of American conservatism is, simply misguided fat people trying to find a valid excuse for letting themselves go completely.
    Well the collective crap is the problem. Not all people share the same body type but a collectivist thinker can't wrap his/her head around that one. But hey you want collectivism then make it fair. They went after smokers and made them pay more so add the fat people. Why not those who use legal drugs that compromise their health? Better charge them more too. How about adding those with lousy driving records that look like an accident waiting to happen? Yep they should pay more. What about people who sit at a damn computer all day as study after study show this puts people at all kinds of health risks? Better add their sorry asses too.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well the collective crap is the problem. Not all people share the same body type but a collectivist thinker can't wrap his/her head around that one. But hey you want collectivism then make it fair. They went after smokers and made them pay more so add the fat people. Why not those who use legal drugs that compromise their health? Better charge them more too. How about adding those with lousy driving records that look like an accident waiting to happen? Yep they should pay more. What about people who sit at a damn computer all day as study after study show this puts people at all kinds of health risks? Better add their sorry asses too.

    Fatness is easy though. It's easy for any medical professional to diagnose you as medically fat. It is not "up in the air whether you're medically fat". You either are or you aren't.


    It's also the culture of fatness that revolts me. It's important that a society can say someone's fat. Fat people not being able to be called fat is a bad thing for those people. It's bad for their children. It's bad for their friends. All because nobody can speak honestly with them. I would even argue that one reason we have so much PC nonsense in America is because most adult Americans are fat. If we can't as a society even admit to being fat asses, what hope can we admit to anything else?

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