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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In addition to Crue Cab's list of medical conditions, how about professional race car drivers? Professional wrestlers? Boxers? Olympic skiers? Bunge jumpers? Parachutists? Bad drivers? Alcoholics? People who drive motor cycles? People who get X-number of speeding tickets? Traffic accidents?

    I'm confused why you and Crue Cab think these are actually good points.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for any health insurer to charge a high risk person more for insurance. I don't even see an argument against this.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Exactly.. It is rather amazing.


    "Oh my god yes, look at all those health problems with smoking, tax it, regulate it into the ground!"

    then by same people..

    "Oh no we can't regulate and or tax obesity that's too difficult and unfair (even though it's far worse than smoking) but we can certainly do it to smokers! DAMN smokers! Now let's get some sugar donuts and a large diet coke."


    The poll basically demonstrates that democracy is fallible on some issues when it comes to a populations health. Authoritarianism is not all bad it would seem.
    The problem is that most people do not smoke. However a far larger portion of the citizens are fat, don't eat healthy, etc. So they are not going to vote to 'ding' themselves with higher rates. Which of course does away with the BS that such things 'are for the good of all'
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Authoritarianism is not all bad it would seem.
    Well that says it all about why you havent at all addressed the problems of liberty in this issue.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well that says it all about why you havent at all addressed the problems of liberty in this issue.

    Liberty? Are you kidding? (horrifyingly you're not)


    How is it Liberty that fit Americans have to pay for fat Americans deteriorating health? It isn't fair.


    I don't want to pay more money for a routine doctors appointment at age 26 because the healthcare industry bases their charges off 230 pound 55 year old's who've never exercised in their lives. What about my Liberty? Why can't the Hospital just charge you more for being fat and I pay less and have more of my own money for my own interests? That sounds more like Liberty to me.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Liberty? Are you kidding? (horrifyingly you're not)


    How is it Liberty that fit Americans have to pay for fat Americans deteriorating health? It isn't fair.


    I don't want to pay more money for a routine doctors appointment at age 26 because the healthcare industry bases their charges off 230 pound 55 year old's who've never exercised in their lives. What about my Liberty? Why can't the Hospital just charge you more for being fat and I pay less and have more of my own money for my own interests? That sounds more like Liberty to me.
    In your worldview the admitting staff should evaluate general fitness and charge accordingly. Maybe we could have you do a few pushups before we treat you.

    Where and how you choose to live is a much better indicator of your future general health picture, mixed in with your genetic profile.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    In your worldview the admitting staff should evaluate general fitness and charge accordingly. Maybe we could have you do a few pushups before we treat you.

    Where and how you choose to live is a much better indicator of your future general health picture, mixed in with your genetic profile.

    Again with your lunacy.

    A doctor would diagnose you as medically fat.


    Just wow. You peoples propagandist attempts are pathetic.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Liberty? Are you kidding? (horrifyingly you're not)


    How is it Liberty that fit Americans have to pay for fat Americans deteriorating health? It isn't fair.


    I don't want to pay more money for a routine doctors appointment at age 26 because the healthcare industry bases their charges off 230 pound 55 year old's who've never exercised in their lives. What about my Liberty? Why can't the Hospital just charge you more for being fat and I pay less and have more of my own money for my own interests? That sounds more like Liberty to me.
    I am not 55 nor fat, so your point is mute. How about you just step up to plate instead of complaining about what other people are doing?

    But at 26 what medical services do you actually use? Unless you have been injured or have some disease you dont really need any medical services. You will need medical services when you start ages (when are not so wet behind the ears). The older insurance customers have already paid dearly to insurance companies through out their life. I know that Have paid a great deal of my income to insurance companies. And you will too. And when I was 26 there were fat people too. What you are saying is that people other than yourself dont deserve to pay the same amount for a service that you have because you have a opinion about them.

    In the bold above shows that you are just being emotional and not rational. Really fat people dont live very long.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. Are you claiming that health insurance offers no discounts for lifestyle choices? Im pretty sure there are plans out there that offer discounts for not smoking and for other positive lifestyle choices.

    Also, you have a little more control over the outcome when it pertains to driving a car. When health is concerned, you could be a very healthy person, work out every day, eat healthy and still contract cancer.
    Yes, there are policies that give discounts for healthy choices, just as there should be. That is the subject of this thread, should overweight people pay more for health insurance.

    And yes, you do have a point that you can make all of the right choices and still wind up with an expensive disease. That's why we all have to have insurance. You can make all the right choices behind the wheel, too, and still be creamed by one of the imbeciles we all see every day on the highways.

    As for universal care (your other post), yes, I'd support a universal catastrophic cost sort of policy that would cover everyone for the simple reason that it could save a ton of money. It may not be a libertarian position, but it certainly is a practical issue.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, you're much more likely to have that back condition if you're tall. Should tall people pay more?
    Perhaps, but being tall is not a choice.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    I'm confused why you and Crue Cab think these are actually good points.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for any health insurer to charge a high risk person more for insurance. I don't even see an argument against this.
    I don't think they're necessarily good points; I'm merely pointing out that, rarely, do health insurance companies charge or rate a policy by one's occupation or hobbies. And with Obamacare? It's not done at all. CrueCab's obesity complaint was merely the tip of the iceberg.

    Before Obamacare, if one was purchasing their health insurance individually rather than obtaining it through their employer's group plan, obese people (of a certain % of "obese") were denied insurance all together. No more though.

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