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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, absolutely.
    Particularly since the odds of me blowing out my back at the gym are far less than my odds of developing an ongoing medical condition as a result of inactivity.
    Back surgery's can be quite expensive, and also quite lingering when it comes to lifelong issues.

    Would you support universal healthcare then? If you think about it what we have now (shared risk) in private insurance is actually quite socialistic.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Auto insurance is also a shared risk, as is fire insurance.
    but, if I have a clean driving record, then I can qualify for a discount. If I live near a fire house, and not in the middle of the dry brush, I can also qualify for a discount. I'm sharing risk with people of similar risk, in effect.
    I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. Are you claiming that health insurance offers no discounts for lifestyle choices? Im pretty sure there are plans out there that offer discounts for not smoking and for other positive lifestyle choices.

    Also, you have a little more control over the outcome when it pertains to driving a car. When health is concerned, you could be a very healthy person, work out every day, eat healthy and still contract cancer.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I know that a big corporation has there workers pay a lower medical ins payment if they walk to lunch instead of driving to get lunch...but after all it is a free country the med ins. co can charge you what ever they want lol

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    If you think about it what we have now (shared risk) in private insurance is actually quite socialistic.
    It's not really shared risk unless everyone is paying the same.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It's not really shared risk unless everyone is paying the same.
    Are you just adding your opinion or are you claiming that health insurance doesn't use a shared risk platform?
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Are you just adding your opinion or are you claiming that health insurance doesn't use a shared risk platform?
    You said we have a 'shared risk' system. I pointed out we do not, because not everyone pays the same. Not only are rates different, but some have mamma government covering their tab. If you don't have skin in the game, you are not sharing any risk.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Ummm having good or bad health is extremely easy to assess and body weight is an extremely accurate indicator of a persons health..
    No it's not, to either of those assertions.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, absolutely.
    Particularly since the odds of me blowing out my back at the gym are far less than my odds of developing an ongoing medical condition as a result of inactivity.
    You know, you're much more likely to have that back condition if you're tall. Should tall people pay more?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You said we have a 'shared risk' system. I pointed out we do not, because not everyone pays the same. Not only are rates different, but some have mamma government covering their tab. If you don't have skin in the game, you are not sharing any risk.
    That would be true if you didn't take into account that what insurance companies do is they lump everyone into different categories. What you pay each check or month or whatever, is added to the overall pool and is used to pay out any insurance claims. Therefor -shared risk. perhaps I'm using the wrong term but it doesn't change the original point I was trying to make.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It's funny that the poll is about 50/50 considering most people think smokers should have to pay more, yet there is more death and disease related to obesity. Guess it kinda shows society prefers to go for the low hanging fruit rather than address big problems.
    Exactly.. It is rather amazing.


    "Oh my god yes, look at all those health problems with smoking, tax it, regulate it into the ground!"

    then by same people..

    "Oh no we can't regulate and or tax obesity that's too difficult and unfair (even though it's far worse than smoking) but we can certainly do it to smokers! DAMN smokers! Now let's get some sugar donuts and a large diet coke."


    The poll basically demonstrates that democracy is fallible on some issues when it comes to a populations health. Authoritarianism is not all bad it would seem.

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