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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]



    Who thinks I'm irrational for believing that is fat?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your view on this is MUCH too narrow. I don't think you know much about the medical field and the causes and effects of diseases and that even females and males have different risk factors for different diseases just because of gender ALONE.
    You are listing correlations. For example, African Americans are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. That is because they are statistically more likely to be obese. You are more likely to develop it at age 45 or older because by then poor diet has taxed your pancreas a lot. The fact is, Type 2 diabetes results from insulin resistance. Insulin resistance results from poor diet and lack of exercise.

    Even if obesity was not a risk factor for diabetes, it would still be a risk factor for heart disease, joint issues, mobility issues, and some cancers. The fact is, it is a condition that in the vast majority of cases is the result of poor health choices, and that results in hundreds of billions of dollars a year in additional healthcare costs. If you speed you pay a higher auto insurance rate. If you own a dog that has a history of attacking people, you pay a higher home owners insurance rate. That is how insurance works. So why should health insurance be any different for conditions like smoking or obesity? You should be free to be as obese as you want. You should be free to smoke if you want. However, that freedom should not extend so far that others that make better life choices have to subsidize your poor health choices.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I find I'm using it at home a lot more than I used to, also! :
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All good. I understand the context of that saying, I was just not sure if you were implying it towards me or in general.
    No, just in a general sort of way. It is just a phrase I and others use all the time. It just popped into my head when I read your question and my fingers did the rest. No thought given it one way or the other.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post


    Who thinks I'm irrational for believing that is fat?
    He is at least overweight. Moreover, he is carrying the bulk of his body fat in his core. From a health perspective, fat around the organs is the worst kind (its much better to be pear shaped if you are fat than apple shaped in terms of health). I think he should be free to be thin or fat, but I also think actuaries should be able to price his health coverage premiums in accordance with the additional risk his being overweight results in.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I agree. So if we have a sin tax on something that one doesn't eat too much of, it's not costing them much is it, and thus isn't causing them much harm. then if we use the revenue from that tax to provide them with insurance, they get every penny back, and more. Only those who eat an excessive amount of junk food would be financially disincentivized by this, and those are the people that we should want to discourage eating junk food.

    They also pay for the sin of creating their own poor health, instead of ME having to pay for the results of THEIR bad eating habits.

    It just seems like the most practical and least harmful solution to the problem.
    Well, I don't have a problem with that. If it causes a few people to buy fewer chips, that's a good thing. But I don't think that's enough to solve the problem of obesity in the country. I don't think that's the solution. I don't think it will result in fewer obese people or fewer ins. claims, I suppose is my point.

    But if there were a tax put on chips or sugar, I wouldn't fight it. I don't buy enough of those things for it to matter, like you say. I DO loves me some sugar, though! I fight the urge all the time. I pretty much restrict it to special occasions (which is why I mentioned Easter..I tend to save my sugar fixes for holidays, and then buy only my very favorite sugar candy. Those Peeps are pretty good.)

    Sugar is a big problem, IMO. I've come to think of it as poison. It does so much damage. I used to eat sweets quite a lot. As I started reading more on health, and got older and tried to change my wicked ways, I gradually cut sugar out as a regular thing. But white bread is just as bad. And honey has a higher glycemic level than sugar, but is thought of as healthier. (I love honey, too.) That's one reason why I think a sin tax doesn't make sense. There is really no way to pinpoint which food is worse than another, really. They are all okay in moderation, and they are all bad in excess. If you're talking aobut a tax on all foods, then you're just talking about inflation. Which doesn't help anyone.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post


    Who thinks I'm irrational for believing that is fat?
    Yes, he's overweight. The word fat sounds insulting, to me. That's that actor...what's his name?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Sugar is a big problem, IMO. I've come to think of it as poison. It does so much damage. I used to eat sweets quite a lot. As I started reading more on health, and got older and tried to change my wicked ways, I gradually cut sugar out as a regular thing
    Sugar isn't a poison.

    Sugar is the fuel on which our bodies run. Without it, we would die.

    The problem with diabetes (both type 1 and type 2) is that it interferes with our ability to properly process sugar in order to get the energy from it that we need to function. Instead, it just accumulates in the blood, where too much of it leads to all sorts of damage all over the body. With type 2, it also tends to get converted in excessive amounts to fat, even when not enough of it is being processed into energy.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I voted yes.

    Rich people got more money...they should pay more for things, including taxes.

    Fat people got more fat...they should pay, too.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Yes, he's overweight. The word fat sounds insulting, to me. That's that actor...what's his name?


    Oh this is such bs I'm sorry.

    The man is FAT. Who cares about some distinction between obese and fat if we aren't talking about sumo wrestlers? They're the same thing.

    The guy is medically fat (OR IF THAT OFFENDS YOU, dun dun dun, overweight!!!!!). He is not healthy with that stomach. Anyone who says he's healthy with that stomach is delusional beyond help (which I'm not denying some probably are).


    I can't stand it when I'm at work and some fat guy who CLEARLY is about 40 pounds overweight (FAT) starts to rant about what great shape he's in. We need to call a fat person a fat person in this country already. It's become insane.



    (Hypothetical) Look, I think it's great that you aren't 300 pounds at 34. I really do. But let's also be honest. Being visibly fat while still not being 300 pounds isn't a whole lot better from a medical standpoint. You're still royally screwed over.

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