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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Do you think the man pictured could be considered obese? I tend to think of obese as rolls of fat, huge thighs, skin hanging from upper arms, etc - like some of the photos of WalMart shoppers that regularly get posted here! Maybe I've got the wrong mental picture of what could be considered obese. He doesn't look warm and cuddly to me either - more like a policeman or someone who works in construction, who doesn't want any :

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    I'm not sure just where the division between "overweight" and "obese" should be drawn. I do know someone who was judged "obese" by the Wii fit game, and he looks a lot like the guy in the picture. He was quite upset by that designation, even if it did come from what is basically just a video game.

    I think we could all agree that he is overweight, and most of us (the ones who acknowledge that water is wet anyway) would agree that being overweight is a health hazard and that "obese", if that term means "grossly overweight, is an even greater health hazard. Maybe it's just a continuum from skinny to healthy to overweight, to obese to fatter than the people of WalMart, to so fat they beep when they back up.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Greetings back.
    I'm not sure just where the division between "overweight" and "obese" should be drawn. I do know someone who was judged "obese" by the Wii fit game, and he looks a lot like the guy in the picture. He was quite upset by that designation, even if it did come from what is basically just a video game.

    I think we could all agree that he is overweight, and most of us (the ones who acknowledge that water is wet anyway) would agree that being overweight is a health hazard and that "obese", if that term means "grossly overweight, is an even greater health hazard. Maybe it's just a continuum from skinny to healthy to overweight, to obese to fatter than the people of WalMart, to so fat they beep when they back up.
    Very well put - and funny, too!

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Standards could be set just as they are with life insurance.
    Then you are basically taxing people for their life choices which I look at as extremely controlling.. especially now that health insurance is required.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Then you are basically taxing people for their life choices which I look at as extremely controlling.. especially now that health insurance is required.
    How is this any different than someone choosing to smoke excessively or drink excessively? These people seem to have chosen to eat excessively. I don't see a difference here.

    As long as it's consistent between all these groups, fine, just that right now, it's not.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Or, they could just pay a bit more for their health insurance.

    Or, better yet, people who live a healthy lifestyle could be given a discount.
    And who will you trust to gauge your lifestyle?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In addition to Crue Cab's list of medical conditions, how about professional race car drivers? Professional wrestlers? Boxers? Olympic skiers? Bunge jumpers? Parachutists? Bad drivers? Alcoholics? People who drive motor cycles? People who get X-number of speeding tickets? Traffic accidents?

    A lot of those have to get special insurance, the pros at least.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Yes. Fat people should, as should smokers and others that engage in unhealthy activities. We should monitor those that eat MacDonald's too much, that buy too much Pepsi and eat large tubs of popcorn at the movies too.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That would tend to support my argument for sin taxes on bad food then. If a McFatties hamburger cost $2 more than a broiled chicken sandwich on whole wheat bread, many people, over the course of their lives, would be more likely to chose the healthier option, and thus less likely to pack on a few pounds a year.

    Again, it's just a matter of taxing food that has added sugar and lots of fat, while not taxing "better" foods, as to economically incentivize our population to make better choices, even if they are unaware that those cheaper choices are also healthier choices.
    While I have no problem with sin taxes on fattening food, my point was that much of food is not fattening if eaten in reasonable portions at reasonable times. A burger is not fattening if you take into account the calories & fat grams and such. It's only when you combine a burger with other foods that it becomes fattening. See my point? Baked chicken is not fattening, per se. But it would be if you eat it with other foods that day that push your calories over your limit.

    A few peeps a year, or even a quantity of them only at Easter, doesn't make a person fat.

    We don't want to make food too expensive for people. It's not like cigarettes. People need food to stay alive and operate at a healthy level. It's really not up to me to say what a person should or should not to be normal weight. If someone wants to eat one large, fattening meal a day instead of six small meals, none of my business. Charging higher ins. premiums for the RESULT (obesity) makes more sense to me. Because it's the obesity, not the Peeps at Easter, that cause health issues and ins. claims.

    If someone is obese, there is no doubt that it will cause medical problems. It's only a question of when. The metabolic syndrome will kick in (that is the trifecta of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes...I think those are the 3 - all caused by morbid obesity).

    But none of this matters. Under Obamacare, only people over the age of 50 are allowed to be charged higher premiums, so they are taking the hit for all this.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I was an athlete and did a lot of physical training most my life, which I thought was helping me. But it's the very, over exertion of my muscles and the corresponding joints that caused the wear, tear and eventual damage. Much of my arthritis is do to my strenuous exercising, according to my doctors. I asked them, what should I have done, and they said, less impact and more moderation. We thought "no pain, no gain" back then, but now they know better.

    If you look at the statistics, professional athletes in general have more physical problems from overuse, less quality and shorter life spans. Even with arthritis, you need to do some movement but it varies, day to day and is extremely limited.

    Of course much of this is situational and genetics, but I can't stress enough low impact, like swimming, yoga, Thai Chi, cycling and walking. Running, stepping, climbing, skiing, and any sports with contact are all very rough on you in old age. Even golfing can be hazardous, if you're an intense player.
    Swimming is a fantastic low impact exercise.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    While I have no problem with sin taxes on fattening food, my point was that much of food is not fattening if eaten in reasonable portions at reasonable times. A burger is not fattening if you take into account the calories & fat grams and such. It's only when you combine a burger with other foods that it becomes fattening. See my point? Baked chicken is not fattening, per se. But it would be if you eat it with other foods that day that push your calories over your limit.

    A few peeps a year, or even a quantity of them only at Easter, doesn't make a person fat.

    We don't want to make food too expensive for people. It's not like cigarettes. People need food to stay alive and operate at a healthy level. It's really not up to me to say what a person should or should not to be normal weight. If someone wants to eat one large, fattening meal a day instead of six small meals, none of my business. Charging higher ins. premiums for the RESULT (obesity) makes more sense to me. Because it's the obesity, not the Peeps at Easter, that cause health issues and ins. claims.

    If someone is obese, there is no doubt that it will cause medical problems. It's only a question of when. The metabolic syndrome will kick in (that is the trifecta of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes...I think those are the 3 - all caused by morbid obesity).

    But none of this matters. Under Obamacare, only people over the age of 50 are allowed to be charged higher premiums, so they are taking the hit for all this.
    Do you know the reason why age 50 was chosen? Wouldn't an earlier age have more impact going forward, as far as future obesity is concerned?

    Greetings, JumpinJack.

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