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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    This one doesn't look poor. Now what?

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    I trump your picture with an actual study. Now what?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Wrong.

    What I and most rational, normal weight Americans want is simply for medically judged (by a doctor) obese Americans to be told:

    "Hi, Sir or M'am, your medical file says medically obese so the charge will be $300.00 today. Thank you."

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    "Hi Sir or Ma'm, your medical file says normal medical weight for age, so the charge will be $150.00 today. Thank you."


    THAT is what we want. We do not want to keep being charged to pay for your daily box of sugar donuts and Twinkies via increased medical bills for all.


    Maybe that's a good argument for sin taxes on food that leads to poor health. We could tax the heck out of sugar, and any food that has more than X% of it's calories from fat. Now since I eat a fairly healthy diet, it wouldn't effect me much, and I wouldn't really mind occasionally paying an extra buck or two for a cheat meal box of cookies, but it would be a pretty stiff disincentive for other people to excessively eat bad food. The revenues could then be used to fund a special insurance pool, or better yet, to help fund universal major medical insurance.

    It seems better to me to charge people for being fat by charging them more for over consuming what makes them fat, rather than to try to figure out who's poor health is due to bad eating habits. That way we are helping to prevent fat related illness, rather than just having to figure out how to pay for the illness.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    This one doesn't look poor. Now what?

    Is he obese?
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post






    It's a matter of education. People who are uneducated are more fat because they do not live a progressive health lifestyle which inherently comes from education.

    Such is why you see a great deal of conservative politicians who are fat. They don't live progressive health lifestyles.


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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What about epileptics? Or mentally retarded? Or diabetics?
    That would be called a pre-existing condition, I think. It is not legal to deny them coverage or, I guess, charge them more, since they are not charging them more. But yes, they should pay more. Until last year, they were charged more, since that is a medical condition that has health consequences. To do otherwise is to encourage an unhealthy lifestyle and reward it.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post





    It's a matter of education. People who are uneducated are more fat because they do not live a progressive health lifestyle which inherently comes from education.

    Such is why you see a great deal of conservative politicians who are fat. They don't live progressive health lifestyles.

    So being a conservative is bad for ones health? Thats a new one on me.

    I think that not too long ago I read that college graduates are actually less likely to self identify as being a conservative than high school dropouts.

    EDIT: I just looked it up, people with "some" college are most likely to be conservatives however people with a graduate degree are least likely to be conservatives. High school grads with no college are equally split, and high school dropouts are pretty much like people with graduate degrees (most likely to be liberal).
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Is he obese?

    Yes. He is.



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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post





    It's a matter of education. People who are uneducated are more fat because they do not live a progressive health lifestyle which inherently comes from education.

    Such is why you see a great deal of conservative politicians who are fat. They don't live progressive health lifestyles.

    There is no link. I don't know WHAT kind of website you picked that up from.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes. He is.


    I don't think he looks obese at all. He has a little bit of a gut, but he certainly is not "obese." His arms, legs, etc. are NOT fat at all.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Maybe that's a good argument for sin taxes on food that leads to poor health. We could tax the heck out of sugar, and any food that has more than X% of it's calories from fat. Now since I eat a fairly healthy diet, it wouldn't effect me much, and I wouldn't really mind occasionally paying an extra buck or two for a cheat meal box of cookies, but it would be a pretty stiff disincentive for other people to excessively eat bad food. The revenues could then be used to fund a special insurance pool, or better yet, to help fund universal major medical insurance.

    It seems better to me to charge people for being fat by charging them more for over consuming what makes them fat, rather than to try to figure out who's poor health is due to bad eating habits. That way we are helping to prevent fat related illness, rather than just having to figure out how to pay for the illness.
    Except that it's a misconception that most people are obese because of chips & doughnuts. Those often play a part, but often it's pounds that creep on over the years. A few hundred extra calories a day (one extra serving of fries, or one burger instead of a chicken sandwich, or too large a helping of dinner) might result in 75 pounds of fat over the years. All without doughnuts.

    The only foods that don't lead to obesity are low calories vegetables and fresh or frozen fruit without sugar. Are you suggesting a tax on ALL foods except those, even though most people don't get fat from chicken or mashed potatoes?

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