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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. The rationale is to make people pay more because they are higher risks....so you and I won't have to subsidize them.
    If that's the case, then people born with, or who develop, medical conditions that they can't change should pay more also.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    yeah, people should lose weight if they want to. i did, and i started exercising, too. however, i'm just not that keen on going down that road any more than we already have. health care is already ridiculously expensive, and let's be honest here : even if they did charge the overweight more, they won't charge the rest of us less. they'll say they will, and maybe even claim that the costs are just going up so fast that us paying what we're paying already is the discount, but in the end, they're just going to pocket the money.

    how do i know this? a year or two ago, my employer sent us a letter offering a pretty significant percent discount for being a nonsmoker. well, i am a nonsmoker, so i was totally relieved. i sign the sheet, get my first paycheck of the fiscal year, and guess what? my rate still went up. i'm thinking there's an error or something, so i ask around. turns out that they just jacked the premiums WAY up on the smokers. my discount was that my insurance went up by the same percentage that it would have anyway or maybe a percent or two less. woohoo, discount!

    that's what will happen. count me as a no vote.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I believe that a discussion on this is an exercise in futility. Companies that sell health insurance have in the past either denied policies to high risk populations, or they have charged higher premiums. Now with the ACA, any attempt at getting people to live responsibly has been shot in the foot. We will ALL shoulder the higher costs. I certainly think, though, that there should be some 'reward' for the person who practices good health maintenance, not smoking, rotting his liver with alcohol or drugs, keeping weight under control, not engaging in risky sports, etc. But I'm sure that will not occur in my lifetime.

    And the poster earlier was correct, not everyone can keep their weight at an optimal level because there are so many medications which cause metabolic changes and concurrent weight gain.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Why punish people for being overweight?

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, people should lose weight if they want to. i did, and i started exercising, too. however, i'm just not that keen on going down that road any more than we already have. health care is already ridiculously expensive, and let's be honest here : even if they did charge the overweight more, they won't charge the rest of us less. they'll say they will, and maybe even claim that the costs are just going up so fast that us paying what we're paying already is the discount, but in the end, they're just going to pocket the money.

    how do i know this? a year or two ago, my employer sent us a letter offering a pretty significant percent discount for being a nonsmoker. well, i am a nonsmoker, so i was totally relieved. i sign the sheet, get my first paycheck of the fiscal year, and guess what? my rate still went up. i'm thinking there's an error or something, so i ask around. turns out that they just jacked the premiums WAY up on the smokers. my discount was that my insurance went up by the same percentage that it would have anyway or maybe a percent or two less. woohoo, discount!

    that's what will happen. count me as a no vote.
    Premiums will continue to increase more rapidly than the rate of inflation until and unless we get real reform of the health care system.

    Had you not gotten a non smoker discount, your premiums would doubtless have gone up even more than they did.
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Premiums will continue to increase more rapidly than the rate of inflation until and unless we get real reform of the health care system.

    Had you not gotten a non smoker discount, your premiums would doubtless have gone up even more than they did.
    as i said in the post. they screwed the poor smokers right to the wall. it was insane. glad i quit, and thank you Allen Carr.

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as i said in the post. they screwed the poor smokers right to the wall. it was insane. glad i quit, and thank you Allen Carr.
    Did they only go after the smokers, or did they go after everyone with a risky lifestyle and/or habit?

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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Some of those aren't preventable.....

    How can you even begin to compare those??? Tells us a lot about your intelligence..
    First of all...no one is "judged" obese. A medical professional makes a diagnosis that a person is obese. Which medical treatments would you consider are directly related to "obesity"?

    Is obesity a contributing factor or a direct cause???

    Which illnesses and diseases would you "judge" as needing to be charged a higher rate to fat people?
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    re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Some of those aren't preventable.....

    How can you even begin to compare those??? Tells us a lot about your intelligence..
    So? If you're trying to make everyone pay their proportional costs than that should be that. All this turns into is a form of societal shaming, trying to punish through the pocket book of those you think less of. It's just bullying and essentially no longer insurance.
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