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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Type 2 Diabetes runs in my family as well. For that matter so does heart disease and cancer. However, with regular cardio exercise and strength training, maintaining a whole foods diet that is high in fruits and vegetables, avoiding processed and fast food, not smoking, and avoiding heavy drinking, one can almost eliminate their chance of ever developing type 2 diabetes even with a strong family history of it.

    As to the opening poll, the question as I see it, is should personal health choices be factored into the costs of health insurance premiums just like driving habits are factored into auto insurance premiums.
    Actually, driving habits are only a small factor. Chances of the company having to pay out factors more. A good driver would pay a pittance in rural Nebraska, but would have their rates increased dramatically if the same good driver moved to Chicago. Nothing about the driver changed, only their environment changed.

    Using the same rationale, should location be a factor in health insurance? Access to good facilities would make a difference. Urban areas would most likely have more and better healthcare facilities. Water and air quality would make a difference. Do you walk to work downtown and increase the chance of being hit by a car? Should a person who works from home get a discount because they don't have to deal with all the crazy people out there? We should factor in everything that has a potential negative effect, shouldn't we?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's pretty easy to determine body fat percentage.
    ...and be mislead by it.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What leeway would you allow? (If you were the Health Czar)

    If a person's ideal weight for their height were 165 lbs, would you allow 170? 190? 210? Obviously 240 would be unacceptable, based on your comment above. Would you allow no leeway at all?


    I hate to tell you this, but when any person goes in to see a medical professional who's responsible for their health (a doctor for instance), that professional will usually tell them if they are obese or not and, believe it or not, that medical professional isn't in on some "Obama conspiracy". That professional has no motive.

    There does exist a healthy human weight index and a non healthy one for your height..

    This stuff is not easily blurred as you'd claim. The medical field is pretty precise.


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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I hate to tell you this, but when any person goes in to see a medical professional who's responsible for their health (a doctor for instance), that professional will usually tell them if they are obese or not and, believe it or not, that medical professional isn't in on some "Obama conspiracy". That professional has no motive.

    There does exist a healthy human weight index and a non healthy one for your height..

    This stuff is not easily blurred as you'd claim. The medical field is pretty precise.
    So, if I understand you correctly, the charts are infallible and should be followed to the letter... or number. There are no legitimate mitigating factors for anybody. One either falls in the good zone, or they don't. Period. Am I interpreting your statement correctly?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Actually, driving habits are only a small factor. Chances of the company having to pay out factors more. A good driver would pay a pittance in rural Nebraska, but would have their rates increased dramatically if the same good driver moved to Chicago. Nothing about the driver changed, only their environment changed.

    Using the same rationale, should location be a factor in health insurance? Access to good facilities would make a difference.
    It already is. Health insurance rates have varied widely throughout the country for decades now. Where health insurance differs from any other form of insurance is that it largely does not take into account personal health choices.

    Urban areas would most likely have more and better healthcare facilities. Water and air quality would make a difference. Do you walk to work downtown and increase the chance of being hit by a car? Should a person who works from home get a discount because they don't have to deal with all the crazy people out there? We should factor in everything that has a potential negative effect, shouldn't we?
    All this is already accounted for in rates.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    So, if I understand you correctly, the charts are infallible and should be followed to the letter... or number. There are no legitimate mitigating factors for anybody. One either falls in the good zone, or they don't. Period. Am I interpreting your statement correctly?


    No, you're simply being irrational.

    Exceptions do exist but unlike you claim, most people do not fall into those exceptions who are in fact overweight. Completely negating your "There's so many exceptions!! What about body type!!".

    That's actually not true, there aren't so many legitimate exceptions as you'd claim. Body type does not determine whether you're overweight. You have the ability to change that.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...and be mislead by it.
    Not really. If you are an adult male with a body fat percentage of over 27% then you are clinically obese regardless of race, age, body type and so on. If you are an adult woman with a body fat percentage of over 40% you are clinically obese.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Not really. If you are an adult male with a body fat percentage of over 27% then you are clinically obese regardless of race, age, body type and so on. If you are an adult woman with a body fat percentage of over 40% you are clinically obese.
    Indeed.

    Amazing people are actually out there trying to claim "Exceptions" can explain the vast majority of obesity issues or that somehow the obesity lines are blurred officially.. Truly scary stuff just reading such posts.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    No, you're simply being irrational.

    Exceptions do exist but unlike you claim, most people do not fall into those exceptions who are in fact overweight. Completely negating your "There's so many exceptions!! What about body type!!".

    That's actually not true, there aren't so many legitimate exceptions as you'd claim. Body type does not determine whether you're overweight. You have the ability to change that.
    No, I'm trying to find out where you stand. You say exceptions do exist. Can you name a few? That would go a long way in determining if you're rational or irrational. So far you are the one who has come off as irrational as you are the one who seems to be saying that everybody, bar none, fits in the same box.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No, I'm trying to find out where you stand. You say exceptions do exist. Can you name a few? That would go a long way in determining if you're rational or irrational. So far you are the one who has come off as irrational as you are the one who seems to be saying that everybody, bar none, fits in the same box.

    Everyone, minus rare, extreme exceptions that are not common at all, is capable of being a healthy weight, even people with diabetes.

    Body type or your parents genes do not mean you have to be overweight. It's all about what the actual person does in their life that is the determinate factor.


    You are simply angry and so you run around blurring the lines or attempting to that "Obesity is so hard to determine and there's tons of exceptions". That is not true and you know it.


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