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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Exactly. Two years ago I was diagnosed as being diabetic, and a bunch of other stuff. I started eating better and started exercising and lost weight, and I am now off of most of the medications that I was on. I guess that technically I am still diabetic, but I control it with diet, instead of pills.
    Good for you. That's great. I have a friend who did the same, and I was very impressed.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Wow the fat influential posters weren't able to corrupt the poll! There's hope for the world!
    Ugly goes all the way to the bone. Good luck to you, Ryan. I mean that.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's fairly obvious that you do not have a useful understanding of type 2 diabetes, or the genetic condition that underlies it; and you do not have any grasp of how difficult this condition makes it for some of those who have it to maintain the balance that you so simplistically think you understand between calories taken in, and calories used through exercise.

    Yes, anyone with this condition can, in theory, maintain a healthy weight, but for many, it is not nearly as easy as you think it is. I've been extraordinarily fortunate in this respect, but most others on my father's side of the family have not been.
    The person you are responding to is like many I have encountered throughout my life time. Doesn't matter what the issue is... if it works for them it will work for everybody else... if they don't suffer from it, it doesn't exist... and so on.

    Diabetes is a common example. I have met many people who had narrow-minded and dismissive attitudes regarding diabetes... then they got diabetes. Some were able to maintain it relatively easily, some were not. For those who maintained easily, some were able to do so for a long time, most were not (only a few years, at best). For those who struggled from the beginning, it was interesting to watch their minds open regarding things that they thought they knew.

    Skinny people can be out-of-shape as well. I know one woman in particular who is extremely thin, yet she is also extremely sedentary and couldn't jog across the street without getting winded. She has zero interest in doing anything strenuous. She is probably the least fit person I have ever known in my life, and I know many other people who are in good shape, in the sense that they exercise regularly and routinely do good activities for work and/or recreation, yet who would otherwise be categorized by many as overweight. All could exercise circles around my skinny friend.

    Bottom line: People and human bodies are not little robots manufactured in the exact same way as the next one. It's not just about appearance or weight numbers. Even Dr Dean Edell says fitness and health is not tied to appearance and weight as so many want to think.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The person you are responding to is like many I have encountered throughout my life time. Doesn't matter what the issue is... if it works for them it will work for everybody else... if they don't suffer from it, it doesn't exist... and so on.

    Diabetes is a common example. I have met many people who had narrow-minded and dismissive attitudes regarding diabetes... then they got diabetes. Some were able to maintain it relatively easily, some were not. For those who maintained easily, some were able to do so for a long time, most were not (only a few years, at best). For those who struggled from the beginning, it was interesting to watch their minds open regarding things that they thought they knew.

    Skinny people can be out-of-shape as well. I know one woman in particular who is extremely thin, yet she is also extremely sedentary and couldn't jog across the street without getting winded. She has zero interest in doing anything strenuous. She is probably the least fit person I have ever known in my life, and I know many other people who are in good shape, in the sense that they exercise regularly and routinely do good activities for work and/or recreation, yet who would otherwise be categorized by many as overweight. All could exercise circles around my skinny friend.
    I was like that in my younger days. From childhood, up until well into adulthood, I tended to be unusually thin and frail. I could handle light exercise almost indefinitely. It wasn't unusual for me to walk or bicycle for tens of miles in a day. But I couldn't handle anything very strenuous. Under heavy exertion, I had no stamina. I suspect that I have some unidentified, undiagnosed condition that made me so. I also suspect that it is this same condition that now balances the tendency that my type 2 diabetes would otherwise have toward making me tend to be fat and sluggish. It is in the balance between these two opposing conditions that I finally am able to maintain a normal, healthy weight, and a normal, healthy degree of strength and stamina.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I was like that in my younger days. From childhood, up until well into adulthood, I tended to be unusually thin and frail. I could handle light exercise almost indefinitely. It wasn't unusual for me to walk or bicycle for tens of miles in a day. But I couldn't handle anything very strenuous. Under heavy exertion, I had no stamina. I suspect that I have some unidentified, undiagnosed condition that made me so. I also suspect that it is this same condition that now balances the tendency that my type 2 diabetes would otherwise have toward making me tend to be fat and sluggish. It is in the balance between these two opposing conditions that I finally am able to maintain a normal, healthy weight, and a normal, healthy degree of strength and stamina.
    This is good. You understand what works for you. You also understand that what works for you does not necessarily automatically work for everybody else. You're aware of the world around you.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?








    Only if medically judged thin people pay the same higher costs.




    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, eh?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I've seen many people claim that eating healthier is cheaper. I'm sorry, but that's just not in my experience. Both in observations and personal attempts.


    Now, I'm in a financial position where I can afford better quality food, but not everybody is, nor have I always been as fortunate as I am now.



    I totally agree.

    My wife has high cholesterol which she tries to control, as much as possible, with a healthy diet.

    It's not cheap.

    But, of course, a healthy diet has a lot of benefits.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally agree.

    My wife has high cholesterol which she tries to control, as much as possible, with a healthy diet.

    It's not cheap.

    But, of course, a healthy diet has a lot of benefits.
    Oh, sure. Eating healthy is the ideal, no doubt. Right with ya there.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?
    The photo on the left is uncalled for. Really.

    Both of them, actually. Ugh!
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Health insurance is a shared risk program. Thats why and how it works.

    You'll never see a health insurance company lower my costs because I work out.. sooo...
    and yet auto insurance offers good driver discounts and charges more for people with DUI tickets and the like. Why can't health insurance do the same?
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