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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post


    Do you not understand that different injuries come with different limitations?

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Choosing a high impact aerobic activity like running long distances may not be the best in the long run either. High impact activities take a toll on the knees and back in particular, and can lead to a situation in which the individual can no longer even walk comfortably. A low impact activity such as hiking, biking, the ellipticals at the gym, or swimming would be a better choice.

    When you're 20, running may seem like a good idea. Fifty years down the road, it just might not.
    My doctor that just retired at age 83 still runs over 20 miles a week. Its a myth that running is hard on your knees. No study has ever found that to be the case. What is hard on your knees is being overweight. If running, or any other form of exercise, keeps the weight off you you probably will never have knee issues. I know its not for everyone, but its easily the best activity for maintaing a healthy weight because of the high calorie expenditure. However, cycling, hiking, swimming laps, and on are all excellent exercises for general fitness as well.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you not understand that different injuries come with different limitations?
    My daughter with Cerebral Palsy is a runner and on the swim team. There are people with MS that run marathons. While my daughter has limitations - for example she can't ride a bike, it doesn't prevent her from being strong and fit, she simply found other activities she could do. The question is whether someone has the drive to do it. I am constantly amazed, and this thread is a perfect example of this, how those that argue for personal responsibility will rationalize all sorts of reasons why that doesn't apply to their personal health choices.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My daughter with Cerebral Palsy is a runner and on the swim team. There are people with MS that run marathons. While my daughter has limitations - for example she can't ride a bike, it doesn't prevent her from being strong and fit, she simply found other activities she could do. The question is whether someone has the drive to do it. I am constantly amazed, and this thread is a perfect example of this, how those that argue for personal responsibility will rationalize all sorts of reasons why that doesn't apply to their personal health choices.
    That's wonderful, but some people suffer from severe back injuries and nerve diseases and it is nearly impossible for them to mobilize.

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's wonderful, but some people suffer from severe back injuries and nerve diseases and it is nearly impossible for them to mobilize.
    I understand that, but the vast majority of people can, yet choose not to. The vast majority of people that are clinically obese were not victims of a horrific accident.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My doctor that just retired at age 83 still runs over 20 miles a week. Its a myth that running is hard on your knees. No study has ever found that to be the case. What is hard on your knees is being overweight. If running, or any other form of exercise, keeps the weight off you you probably will never have knee issues. I know its not for everyone, but its easily the best activity for maintaing a healthy weight because of the high calorie expenditure. However, cycling, hiking, swimming laps, and on are all excellent exercises for general fitness as well.
    While some individuals get away with long distance running, others don't. As you said, it's not for everyone. What is for everyone is exercise in one form or another. The human body was not designed to be sedentary.

    But Chris has a point, too, that a few individuals have physical limitations that make exercise extremely difficult. Often, these limitations are brought on by lack of exercise, a sort of Catch 22.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    I pack my lunch every day. Most days my lunch consists of something like the following:

    1-Apple
    1 - Whole Grain Smoked Salmon Wrap
    1 - Spinach and Berry Salad with Vinegrette
    1 - Plain Greek Yogurt with Berries
    1 - Serving of Nuts and a little cheese
    1 - Serving of Grapes.

    For a snack I might have a half an avocado on a whole grain english muffin. I cannot tell you how many times I have had people look at my lunch at work and say something like "That lunch looks so good and healthy, I wish I could eat like that" I always think well why don't you? It is not like I had to go out and get some kind of a permit that allows me to eat a healthy lunch.

    I am fortunate enough to work at a company with a fitness center. So I regularly strength train or run over my lunch hour and then later eat lunch at my desk. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people in the elevator when I had my running clothes on that said something like "I wish I could get out and exercise over lunch". To which I always think well why don't you then? What prevents you other than a conscious choice not to do it.

    If you want to exercise personal responsibility, then there is not a better way to do it than your personal health choices.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I pack my lunch every day. Most days my lunch consists of something like the following:

    1-Apple
    1 - Whole Grain Smoked Salmon Wrap
    1 - Spinach and Berry Salad with Vinegrette
    1 - Plain Greek Yogurt with Berries
    1 - Serving of Nuts and a little cheese
    1 - Serving of Grapes.

    For a snack I might have a half an avocado on a whole grain english muffin. I cannot tell you how many times I have had people look at my lunch at work and say something like "That lunch looks so good and healthy, I wish I could eat like that" I always think well why don't you? It is not like I had to go out and get some kind of a permit that allows me to eat a healthy lunch.

    I am fortunate enough to work at a company with a fitness center. So I regularly strength train or run over my lunch hour and then later eat lunch at my desk. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people in the elevator when I had my running clothes on that said something like "I wish I could get out and exercise over lunch". To which I always think well why don't you then? What prevents you other than a conscious choice not to do it.

    If you want to exercise personal responsibility, then there is not a better way to do it than your personal health choices.
    That's a lot like my typical diet, except that I eat more protein, and have multiple small meals, eating something about every two to three hours, even it if is just a piece of fruit or a protein shake or bar.

    And I either use my home gym before going to work, or I go to a local commercial gym after work. During work days, I don't spend very long on a workout at all, 15-20 minutes tops, but on weekends, unless I have a full day event planed, I will spend about an hour or so in the gym on both days.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    As any endurance athlete knows, everyone burns 5 calories per liter of oxygen. Genetics, race, sex, age, all have no effect on that. Ultimately your body must adhere to the laws of chemistry and physics. If you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. If you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight.

    For example, a 155 pound individual running on a 60 degree day at a pace of 7.5 minutes per mile without wind and on level terrain, will burn a net of 108 calories per mile regardless of their genetics because the physical laws of the universe requires that much energy to move their body at that pace over mile.

    Some people rationalize a lot of excuses on why they cannot lose weight or why they are not in better shape, or why various entirely preventable diseases afflict them. I have have a daughter with Cerebral Palsy. She has no use at all of her right arm and little use of her right leg. Despite that she runs cross country and is on the local swim team. Just last weekend she got out and ran 6 miles with me. If she can be strong and fit, then just about anyone outside of a wheelchair can be. Its all a matter of choosing to make those life choices.
    It's fairly obvious that you do not have a useful understanding of type 2 diabetes, or the genetic condition that underlies it; and you do not have any grasp of how difficult this condition makes it for some of those who have it to maintain the balance that you so simplistically think you understand between calories taken in, and calories used through exercise.

    Yes, anyone with this condition can, in theory, maintain a healthy weight, but for many, it is not nearly as easy as you think it is. I've been extraordinarily fortunate in this respect, but most others on my father's side of the family have not been.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Health insurance is a shared risk program. Thats why and how it works.

    You'll never see a health insurance company lower my costs because I work out.. sooo...
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