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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There is a 'reward' for the person who practices good health maintenance, not smoking, rotting his liver with alcohol or drugs, keeping weight under control, not engaging in risky sports, etc.

    The reward is knowing you have done your best to stay healthy and perhaps you may even longer because of your healthy life style choices.
    Sometimes. I did all that, and ended up devastatingly medically ill anyway. It IS possible to do everything right and still lose. Life is a craps shoot.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Women should pay tons more cause they're women.



    LOL. What I learned in nursing school is that woman live longer than men. That is common knowledge. But women go to the doctor more for health maintenance services more than men do. Men tend to wait until they are sick. Woman go for that yearly pelvic and pap smear. Men don't go for a yearly PSA, but they should.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    LOL. What I learned in nursing school is that woman live longer than men. That is common knowledge. But women go to the doctor more for health maintenance services more than men do. Men tend to wait until they are sick. Woman go for that yearly pelvic and pap smear. Men don't go for a yearly PSA, but they should.
    Go every year to have a finger up my ass? I'm not likely to do that once let alone every single year. lol

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Go every year to have a finger up my ass? I'm not likely to do that once let alone every single year. lol
    OK, well, I can identify with that. A few years ago a doctor gave me an antibiotic that killed out all the normal flora of my intestines. I had to have a sigmoidoscopy. I've also had a transesophageal echocardiogram. I refuse to have either again. I told a doctor I worked with that no one is going shove anything up my ass or down my throat ever again. He told me I am no fun! LOL. If I get colon cancer they can diagnose it when I double over in pain. But cancer really doesn't run in my family. And I don't have any bad habits. So I'm not very worried.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Quite frankly this is a disgusting thread. All it does is show the extent that people want to go in order to control other peoples lives in a way that THEY think a person should live. What the hell ever happened to "live and let live"? Or that big scary word...FREEDOM?
    Along with freedom comes responsibility. Want to surf the ten meter waves? Go for it. Want to sit on the couch eating potato chips every evening? Go for it. Do what you like. However, if what you like raises the cost of medical care, be prepared to pay more than people who don't engage in risky behavior.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    OK, well, I can identify with that. A few years ago a doctor gave me an antibiotic that killed out all the normal flora of my intestines. I had to have a sigmoidoscopy. I've also had a transesophageal echocardiogram. I refuse to have either again. I told a doctor I worked with that no one is going shove anything up my ass or down my throat ever again. He told me I am no fun! LOL. If I get colon cancer they can diagnose it when I double over in pain. But cancer really doesn't run in my family. And I don't have any bad habits. So I'm not very worried.
    I have always hated doctors. My knee has been bothering me since I was teenager and what they said originally is that it was growing pains and it would go away, but it never did and I suspect it was caused from a hit I took during a high school football game to my knee by a huge fat kid that couldn't make a tackle if his life depended on it. I suspect its a tear of some sort, but I can't bring myself to go to the doctor for it. I doubt I will live long, but honestly old age sounds like it sucks hard, so I don't care much.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have always hated doctors. My knee has been bothering me since I was teenager and what they said originally is that it was growing pains and it would go away, but it never did and I suspect it was caused from a hit I took during a high school football game to my knee by a huge fat kid that couldn't make a tackle if his life depended on it. I suspect its a tear of some sort, but I can't bring myself to go to the doctor for it. I doubt I will live long, but honestly old age sounds like it sucks hard, so I don't care much.
    LOL. Old age does suck. If all you have is a torn meniscus in your knee then that is easily fixed with a scope. If you have a torn ligament or it is bone to bone, not so easy.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with your comments because we don't yet know the extent to which genetics plays a role and we don't yet know the extent to which chemicals in foods - such as steroids in chicken - impact the amount of excess fat some people pack on without "bad behaviour".

    As for the poor being fatter, I don't disagree about that as well. I would point out, however, that often the foods that are best for you are the ones that cost the most - fresh fruits and vegetables, as an example, cost more than canned that are often heavily salted.
    To be honest, I don't even buy the "healthy foods cost more" argument. There are three reasons. The first is that the average American now eats less at home than they did 20 years ago. In short, we have become fans of snacking. The second is that portion sizes have more than doubled in the same period as obesity rates. The third is that stores like Walmart make it incredibly affordable to buy vegetables and fruits.

    Take-Out Foods, Restaurant Meals Tied to Obesity Trend - Online Medical Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center
    Portion Sizes and Obesity, News & Events, NHLBI, NIH
    Walmart Wild Oats: America’s largest grocer is rolling out a line of cheap organic food products.

    In short, food has gotten cheaper thanks to stores like Walmart (as much as I hate to admit it). People continue to eat out regularly and more. How can it be more expensive for you to buy a few vegetables at a store and make a basic stir fry? How can it be more expensive to avoid fatty foods that cost $12 a plate then buy fruits for a week for the same prices? Hell, a run to your local farmer's market will net you about 3 weeks worth of apples for $12. So how is it more expensive to simply cook at home and avoid fatty foods? No. It really isn't.

    But if you follow the logic of the OP, we should charge poor people more for healthcare because their poverty promotes their lifestyle related health issues. That sounds like a winner in the logical conclusions game.
    If you follow the logic of the OP, overweight people - regardless of income - will be charged more for poor lifestyle choices that could easily be curved so the rest of us who do make healthy life choices aren't forced to pay more for them.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?
    Is obesity always the fault of the individual? There's quite a few disorders and medical treatments out there where significant weight gain is directly related to the disorder or the treatment. On top of that, should our capitalist culture share no part of the blame? Our kids get inundated with commercials for candy, burgers, and sweet cereals almost every waking hour, and there's not much parents can do to prevent this. Sure, they can turn off the television...but the kids still see it in other kids' houses, in school, at the mall...you name it.

    What's more, major food producers and restaurant chains do scientific and statistical studies to find out exactly what foods people love the most...and we eat those foods and we do love them - we can't help it, because we're human and our taste buds love this food more than that food. They even do research on what aromas we like the most, and when we smell those aromas, we get hungry, our mouths start watering. McDonald's french fries are a prime example...and the smoke coming out of that little chimney coming out of Burger King joints isn't there because they need a chimney - it's there to pump out the smell that attracts humans to the feeding trough.

    And there's nothing - absolutely nothing - we can do about any of this, short of tyrannical, draconian actions that none of us (including myself) would tolerate. So we're stuck with it.

    So...perhaps a better question would be, "Should people be charged more for physical conditions that may not be their fault?"
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Being fat is a condition of epilepsy? Of mental retardation?

    On the other hand obesity is often a major contributor to the onset of Type II diabetes. There is a great deal of research that indicates major weight loss and physical activity can and does greatly lessen the affects of diabetes II to the point of reducing or obviating the need for medication while improving circulation, reducing blood pressure and cholesterol and thus reducing overall medical costs.

    There is a direct correlation of lifestyle and diabetes II.
    Exactly. Two years ago I was diagnosed as being diabetic, and a bunch of other stuff. I started eating better and started exercising and lost weight, and I am now off of most of the medications that I was on. I guess that technically I am still diabetic, but I control it with diet, instead of pills.
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