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Thread: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you tell us what percentage of overweight people are in that condition due to genetics and which ones are there because of over eating? Don't tire yourself looking, the statistics don't seem to exist. However, what does exist is a an overlap between poverty, overeating, bad nutrition and obesity. Only 33% of Americans meet the suggested fruit servings per day. 27% eat the suggested vegetable servings. Inversely, 2/3rds of Americans have some sort of weight problem. That's just the nutritional aspect of things.

    As far as exercise goes, 50% of Americans simply don't and 80% don't get the exercise they should. So what does that tell us? We're eating crappy food and exercising less.

    Finally, the poor seem to have it worst when it comes to obesity within the American landscape.



    So in short, while there is no definitive statistic we know a few things that are definitely making people fatter:

    1. Bad nutrition.
    2. Lack of exercise.
    3. Being so uneducated/poor they can't make (for financial/economic reasons) healthier choices.

    All of those things could be corrected, however the mentality in America is that any attempt at fixing the problem is a restriction of freedoms. So why should people who do the exact opposite and make the correct lifestyle choices pay more for the large numbers of people who don't?

    Eating in America Still Unhealthy: CDC - US News
    CDC: 80 percent of American adults don't get recommended exercise - CBS News
    Relationship Between Poverty and Overweight or Obesity « Food Research & Action Center
    I don't disagree with your comments because we don't yet know the extent to which genetics plays a role and we don't yet know the extent to which chemicals in foods - such as steroids in chicken - impact the amount of excess fat some people pack on without "bad behaviour".

    As for the poor being fatter, I don't disagree about that as well. I would point out, however, that often the foods that are best for you are the ones that cost the most - fresh fruits and vegetables, as an example, cost more than canned that are often heavily salted.

    But if you follow the logic of the OP, we should charge poor people more for healthcare because their poverty promotes their lifestyle related health issues. That sounds like a winner in the logical conclusions game.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Some of those aren't preventable.....

    How can you even begin to compare those??? Tells us a lot about your intelligence..
    Underlying type 2 diabetes is a genetic condition which makes the person who has it much more prone to obesity, than one without this condition. The body tends to store more calories as fat, while tending to convert less to immediately-usable energy. One has to eat more, just to have the energy to function normally, and by doing so, one ends up having more energy stored as fat. And the more fat one puts on who has this condition, the worse the condition gets, especially once it manifests as full-blown type 2 diabetes.

    This condition is pervasive on my father's side of my family. My father, all his brothers, my brother, and myself, all eventually developed type 2 diabetes. I've watched these men struggle to control their weight. It's not laziness nor gluttony that makes people with this condition obese.

    Oddly, I've been spared this aspect of the condition. I think I have some other condition—never diagnosed or otherwise identified—which has the opposite effect. Through childhood, adolescence, and into adulthood, I was always thin and frail to an unhealthy degree. Only since my type 2 diabetes manifested, I have been able to put on a healthy amount of weight, but it seems not to be inclined to go into the overweight range.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Diabetes can be brought on by poor diet.
    No, it cannot.

    Type 1 diabetes is caused by an autoimmune disorder, which attacks and destroys the pancreas.

    Type 2 diabetes is caused by a genetic disorder which interferes with the chemical action of insulin.

    Neither of these conditions is ever caused by poor diet. Both of these conditions require a specialized diet, but if you do not have the underlying autoimmune or genetic disorders that cause them, then no amount of poor diet will will ever cause you to develop either condition.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it cannot.

    Type 1 diabetes is caused by an autoimmune disorder, which attacks and destroys the pancreas.

    Type 2 diabetes is caused by a genetic disorder which interferes with the chemical action of insulin.

    Neither of these conditions is ever caused by poor diet. Both of these conditions require a specialized diet, but if you do not have the underlying autoimmune or genetic disorders that cause them, then no amount of poor diet will will ever cause you to develop either condition.
    Type 2 diabetes CAN be caused by one's lifestyle, such as obesity or lack of exercise. Of course it is not as simple as slightly over eating or not being as active as one should; and both of which would need to occur over the long term. Also genetic predisposition plays into things. Poor diet will NEVER cause type 1 diabetes; poor diet CAN trigger type 2 diabetes if there is a genetic predisposition.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What about epileptics? Or mentally retarded? Or diabetics?
    I think retarded people should pay higher taxes.

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    Quite frankly this is a disgusting thread. All it does is show the extent that people want to go in order to control other peoples lives in a way that THEY think a person should live. What the hell ever happened to "live and let live"? Or that big scary word...FREEDOM?
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I believe that a discussion on this is an exercise in futility. Companies that sell health insurance have in the past either denied policies to high risk populations, or they have charged higher premiums. Now with the ACA, any attempt at getting people to live responsibly has been shot in the foot. We will ALL shoulder the higher costs. I certainly think, though, that there should be some 'reward' for the person who practices good health maintenance, not smoking, rotting his liver with alcohol or drugs, keeping weight under control, not engaging in risky sports, etc. But I'm sure that will not occur in my lifetime.

    And the poster earlier was correct, not everyone can keep their weight at an optimal level because there are so many medications which cause metabolic changes and concurrent weight gain.
    There is a 'reward' for the person who practices good health maintenance, not smoking, rotting his liver with alcohol or drugs, keeping weight under control, not engaging in risky sports, etc.

    The reward is knowing you have done your best to stay healthy and perhaps you may even longer because of your healthy life style choices.
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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    People who don't use seat belts. Gay men who don't use condoms during sex. People who don't floss. People who ride on lawn tractors. Kids who run with scissors. People who have a bar of soap in their bathtubs.

    Talk about an endless list of possibilities, right??
    Women should pay tons more cause they're women.



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    Re: Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What about epileptics? Or mentally retarded? Or diabetics?
    or smokers, pot smokers, anorexic people, over achievers, stressed out career addicts, people who overwork way too much, people who are thin but have horrible eating habits, drug users, pain killer users, pain killer abusers, people who work out too much, people who do extreme sports, etc. etc. etc.
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