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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Can't really blame them for not wanting to cause a civil war and have the country split apart. Also they really couldn't done anything because the anti-slavery politicians of the time didn't have control of the Senate.
    Ending slavery is one of the few points at which war is genuinely necessary. I'm not arguing they were awful because they didn't abolish slavery; J.Q.A. had abolitionist sympathies but didn't have the ability to abolish slavery. Most presidents before Lincoln either supported slavery or ignored it.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Ending slavery is one of the few points at which war is genuinely necessary. I'm not arguing they were awful because they didn't abolish slavery; J.Q.A. had abolitionist sympathies but didn't have the ability to abolish slavery. Most presidents before Lincoln either supported slavery or ignored it.
    Because they all knew that to end slavery before it would die out naturally ( which were it was going) it would cause a war that could destroy the country.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Because they all knew that to end slavery before it would die out naturally ( which were it was going) it would cause a war that could destroy the country.
    Allowing slavery to die out naturally doesn't excuse the multitudes of people that would suffer and die unnecessarily during their terms. But back on the subject of Polk, he thought a war to annex Texas, and bring slavery to it, since slavery was banned in Mexico, was necessary, but he thought war to end slavery should be avoided. I don't think that's excusable.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Allowing slavery to die out naturally doesn't excuse the multitudes of people that would suffer and die unnecessarily during their terms. But back on the subject of Polk, he thought a war to annex Texas, and bring slavery to it, since slavery was banned in Mexico, was necessary, but he thought war to end slavery should be avoided. I don't think that's excusable.
    Different times different opinions. Albeit I'll give Polk a Higher rating as president then Lincoln (He is actually in my BOTT 3 pres all time). But I rank presidents via their adherence to the Constitution and of course their adherence to keeping the powers of the president small. (Lincoln was a Tyrant by my standards). Anyways Yeah I'd say Mr. Napoleon of the Stump was a good pres.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Allowing slavery to die out naturally doesn't excuse the multitudes of people that would suffer and die unnecessarily during their terms. But back on the subject of Polk, he thought a war to annex Texas, and bring slavery to it, since slavery was banned in Mexico, was necessary, but he thought war to end slavery should be avoided. I don't think that's excusable.
    Please tell how a President before Lincoln would have ended slavery?

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Different times different opinions. Albeit I'll give Polk a Higher rating as president then Lincoln (He is actually in my BOTT 3 pres all time). But I rank presidents via their adherence to the Constitution and of course their adherence to keeping the powers of the president small. (Lincoln was a Tyrant by my standards). Anyways Yeah I'd say Mr. Napoleon of the Stump was a good pres.
    They're within a fifteen year margin of each other. I wouldn't call it different times. Not to mention that Pennsylvania outlawed slavery during Polk's term.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Please tell how a President before Lincoln would have ended slavery?
    You misunderstand. I'm not suggesting that a president before Lincoln would've had to outlaw slavery in order to earn a positive opinion from me. I just want something more than supporting slavery or ignoring it, as John Quincy Adams had done. He couldn't do anything about slavery, but he thought it was morally wrong.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Let's discuss details.

    What I know of him is that he was Speaker of the House - I think the only U.S. President to have been so. After being Speaker, he was elected to one 2-year term as Governor, but lost re-election, then lost a rematch another 2 years later.

    In 1844, he wasn't even seeking the Presidency. He was seeking the Vice Presidency. I think in either 1836 and/or 1840, he had received some faithless electors electoral votes for Vice President. It might have been only 1.

    But, he was nominated and elected in 1844. He didn't even seek re-election in 1848. And excluding all the Presidents who died in office, James Polk had the shortest-lived post-Presidency.

    Jimmy Carter has the longest and as of September 2012 has surpassed Herbert Hoover to become that.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Given I'd not heard of him, I'll suggest he can't have been all that bad.

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    Re: Was James Polk a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Can't really blame them for not wanting to cause a civil war and have the country split apart. Also they really couldn't done anything because the anti-slavery politicians of the time didn't have control of the Senate.
    You're talking to a one-issue wonder, there's no point. Trying to put modern politics on a 200 year old president is ridiculous.
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