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Thread: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    When I hear Redskins I think football and nothing more. There are so many things out that that can be taken offensively if a person wants to take it that way. You could simply state the sun rises in the east and there will be some out there who would take offense to it. Here is the history of their name:

    The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."[6] Dietz's ancestry has been questioned by some scholars, as a birth certificate and census records recorded his parents as white. This does not preclude his having had Sioux ancestry as well.[7] In 1933, the Boston Braves moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. John F. Banzhaf III, Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School, cites a newspaper article from 1933 in which Marshall is quoted as saying the name was selected only to save money by not having to change the logo of the Braves, and not to honor Dietz or the Indian players.[8] There was however, no logo on the Braves football uniform of 1932. The Washington Redskins current logo, which was inspired by Native American, Walter Wetzel, former president of the National Congress of American Indians, was introduced in 1972.[9]

    More info on the Washington Redskins can be found here:

    Washington Redskins name controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The United States of the Offended. You should join them.
    This thread isn't about my feelings and whether I am offended, it is about whether it is a slur or not.

    Its real easy for people to complain about political correctness when it never involves them as the target.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Im not sure, is honky or cracker a slur?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    This thread isn't about my feelings and whether I am offended, it is about whether it is a slur or not.

    Its real easy for people to complain about political correctness when it never involves them as the target.
    I am Italian, you think I have never heard a derogatory slur? You think my last name has never been butchered? Come on man, no one has a lock on getting offended.
    Take your fake BS outrage somewhere where people care. Even the vast majority of the American Indian tribes have no issue with it.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When I hear Redskins I think football and nothing more. <snip>
    Me too. That could be because I'm a Giants fan and the mere mention of their name sets me off.

    The original team name and the name today were never intended to slur or denigrate Indians.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im not sure, is honky or cracker a slur?
    I never took them as such. In fact for many, many years our AA Southern League baseball team here in Atlanta was known as the Atlanta Crackers. In fact when the Negro leagues were flourishing our Negro league team was called the Atlanta Black Crackers.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    This thread isn't about my feelings and whether I am offended, it is about whether it is a slur or not.

    Its real easy for people to complain about political correctness when it never involves them as the target.
    Woah. Who isn't part of some group that has been the target of some slur or denigrating comment?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When I hear Redskins I think football and nothing more. There are so many things out that that can be taken offensively if a person wants to take it that way. You could simply state the sun rises in the east and there will be some out there who would take offense to it. Here is the history of their name:

    The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."[6] Dietz's ancestry has been questioned by some scholars, as a birth certificate and census records recorded his parents as white. This does not preclude his having had Sioux ancestry as well.[7] In 1933, the Boston Braves moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. John F. Banzhaf III, Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School, cites a newspaper article from 1933 in which Marshall is quoted as saying the name was selected only to save money by not having to change the logo of the Braves, and not to honor Dietz or the Indian players.[8] There was however, no logo on the Braves football uniform of 1932. The Washington Redskins current logo, which was inspired by Native American, Walter Wetzel, former president of the National Congress of American Indians, was introduced in 1972.[9]

    More info on the Washington Redskins can be found here:

    Washington Redskins name controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This thread is about the word, not the football team, that is a separate issue.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I am Italian, you think I have never heard a derogatory slur? You think my last name has never been butchered? Come on man, no one has a lock on getting offended.
    Take your fake BS outrage somewhere where people care. Even the vast majority of the American Indian tribes have no issue with it.
    So I guess you'd be ok with the Florida Guineas as a football team? What about the Miami Greaseballs?

    Fake BS outrage? There is no outrage here, I simply wanted to talk about whether Redskin is a slur, I happen to think it is. If this angers you maybe you should leave the thread.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Woah. Who isn't part of some group that has been the target of some slur or denigrating comment?
    How many team names use a white slur that refers to race?

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