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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    My answer is not present. It can be used in a derogatory manner as a slur. It can also be used in a rather neutral and non-slurring manner as well.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Can we ask a white person, as well as any other person, who is interested in protecting free speech in this country?
    Sure, but that wasn't the question asked in this thread. It was whether or not red skin was a racial slur.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There is no other denotational definition of redskin than an offensive term for Native Americans. If someone refers to Native Americans as redskins, that is a racist term.
    First, most definitions actually acknowledge it is not always offensive in nature. Second, native Americans used the word originally to refer to themselves and some do still use it today, though it's largely out of active use in modern times.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    No. It is used at all levels of sport and was even used by the Native American's themselves from the very beginning.

    If the vast majority of Natives thought it was a slur then my opinion would be irrelevant and the name should be changed... as it is, the vast majority don't think it is or they don't care.

    Me? I have always viewed it as a term of strength and honor like Chief, brave, warrior, TBH.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    It is no more a slur than Cowboys, or Forty Niners, Or Steelers, or vikings

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My answer is not present. It can be used in a derogatory manner as a slur. It can also be used in a rather neutral and non-slurring manner as well.
    This is absolutley correct. I guess the question here is, in this case was the picking of the name of this team intended as a racial slur? Well as Perotista shared in another thread(http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063427301 ) based upon the actual history in question I'm going to stick with my prior answer and say no again.


    History[edit]
    The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."[6] Dietz's ancestry has been questioned by some scholars, as a birth certificate and census records recorded his parents as white. This does not preclude his having had Sioux ancestry as well.[7] In 1933, the Boston Braves moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. John F. Banzhaf III, Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School, cites a newspaper article from 1933 in which Marshall is quoted as saying the name was selected only to save money by not having to change the logo of the Braves, and not to honor Dietz or the Indian players.[8] There was however, no logo on the Braves football uniform of 1932. The Washington Redskins current logo, which was inspired by Native American, Walter Wetzel, former president of the National Congress of American Indians, was introduced in 1972.[9]

    Washington Redskins name controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Sure, but that wasn't the question asked in this thread. It was whether or not red skin was a racial slur.
    It can be used as one I suppose just as words like Mexican or Canuck or conservative or liberal or Republican or Democrat or girl or Fox News or Bush supporter or Obama-ite or southerner or yankee or Muslim or Christian or religious or women's lib or many other things can be used as a slur. But to the vast majority of us, we think football when we hear redskin unless we're making up a western story or skit or something in which the phrase fits. Do the vast majority of Americans think badly about Indians/Native Americans when they hear the term? No. I am absolutely confident they do not. Have I EVER heard redskin used as a slur by anybody? Even the most racist people I have ever known? No I have not. Ever. Which is why I think it is a tempest in a teapot, probably created by people hoping to make a name for themselves for some reason or possibly for profit.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    I know this might be a radical idea, but maybe consulting a dictionary might help.

    OED- says its 'dated or offensive'
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...nglish/redskin

    Merriam Webster- 'usually offensive'

    http://i.word.com/idictionary/redskin

    Dictionary.com? 'Often derogatory or offensive'

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskin

    McMillan Dictionary? - 'offensive'

    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/u...erican/redskin


    Seems pretty clear to me.

    But if they changed the logo to a bowl of mashed potatoes, it would work for me.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    It is no more a slur than Cowboys, or Forty Niners, Or Steelers, or vikings
    "Cowboys" will always be a slur as long as Jerry Jones is the team owner.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I know this might be a radical idea, but maybe consulting a dictionary might help.

    OED- says its 'dated or offensive'
    redskin: definition of redskin in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)

    Merriam Webster- 'usually offensive'

    Redskin - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Dictionary.com? 'Often derogatory or offensive'

    Redskin | Define Redskin at Dictionary.com

    McMillan Dictionary? - 'offensive'

    redskin - definition. American English definition of redskin by Macmillan Dictionary


    Seems pretty clear to me.

    But if they changed the logo to a bowl of mashed potatoes, it would work for me.
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