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Thread: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Here's several definitions of redskin that label it as offensive.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=reds...a&channel=fflb
    redskin: definition of redskin in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
    Redskin - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Redskin | Define Redskin at Dictionary.com

    You are correct that originally, Native Americans referred to themselves as redskins, but the term gradually became offensive in the 19th century, as outlined in the second link.
    One lists it as "offensive" in an overall sense. However the other three all acknowledge that it can be used in non-offensive/derogatory ways.

    Originally, they used it to refer to themselves. Over time, it grew to be used in an offensive manner. Over time again, it's primary use has been to refer to a sports team that utilized the non-offensive/dated version of the word to describe native americans.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    One lists it as "offensive" in an overall sense. However the other three all acknowledge that it can be used in non-offensive/derogatory ways.

    Originally, they used it to refer to themselves. Over time, it grew to be used in an offensive manner. Over time again, it's primary use has been to refer to a sports team that utilized the non-offensive/dated version of the word to describe native americans.
    As I said in my original post, the denotational modern definition is an offensive one, but someone can use it in a non-offensive way, such as a reference to the sports team. But the original question asked if redskin was a slur; I think its fairly obvious that throughout history, people have used it as a slur. I agree that it's not always intended as a slur, but nevertheless, it it one.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, I'm perfectly serious, and you don't have to be at a loss to explain it to me. I don't see it as you do. You see it as a "slur". I don't see recognizing the color of skin as a slur.

    If you call me a white skinned woman, you aren't slurring me. It isn't offensive to me for someone to mention the color of my skin. End of story.
    Whatever whitey.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Often times it is. There are times when it's not being used as a slur or in a derogatory fashion.

    So you at least acknowledge you rationalize and pick and choose which slurs you find more offensive and which slurs you don't. So why is your rationalization and opinions on what is more or less worthy of comdenmnation something that people should care about our respect more than anyone elses?
    [quoet]Also Native Americans lost their land in a bloody and devastating conflict in which they were shamed.
    Appeal to emotion. This has nothing to do with whether or not the word is always used in a slurring fashion.

    And as I said earlier, no it's not. It CAN be used a slur, it isn't ONLY or ALWAYS a slur. It can be used in a non-disparaging or insulting manner, which even your definitions indicate by noting it is use is not ONLY offensive in nature, and as such is not always a slur.[/QUOTE]

    I'll agree with you when I see the Alabama Darkies and the Tennessee Crackers playing.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    That makes no sense, particularly given that the word red skins is used in tribal language to describe other tribes. Then there is another problem with your claim. 90% of tribes members polled also did not find the term offensive, particularly in the context or connotation it is used in as the name of this football team. You are ignoring that connotation or context, which is striking because you were accusing someone else of ignoring connotation or context.
    So if we had a team called the Florida Niggers or the Georgia Honkies it would be okay in context?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Does it matter what we think?!

    It`s what native Americans think of it that matters!
    Yes it does, they are less than 1% of the population, they have very little power. It is the tyranny of the majority over the minority in its purest form.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    How many American Indians play football? The name should be changed It does not apply.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    By should the team name be changed, do you mean that the team should choose to change their name, or that they should be forced to change their name?
    I'm only focusing on the term Redskin in this thread. I think the team should choose to change their name. Should they be forced to? I don't know, it gets messy and brings up other issues, I haven't really thought through it all the way.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    ...and I would venture to guess those that don't have a problem with "redskin" don't have a problem throwing the occasional 'nigger' out there.
    Ah, the old racist card. When all else fails, throw it out there.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    How many American Indians play football? The name should be changed It does not apply.
    Look up Red Mesa High School Redskins.
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