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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Was Chink when first used intended to be an insult to a particular group? I'm asking only because I don't know. If it was intended to insult, then it's a slur.

    "Redskin" wasn't intended to slur anyone. It was an observation of the skin color of the Native Americans.
    Does it matter WHY they were called 'The Chinks"? Would you support the Pekin HS Dragons to reclaim their name today? If they did, would you think its OK if they promised that the name wasnt intended to insult anyone, just as an homage to their great basketball teams of the 50s?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Does it matter WHY they were called 'The Chinks"? Would you support the Pekin HS Dragons to reclaim their name today? If they did, would you think its OK if they promised that the name wasnt intended to insult anyone, just as an homage to their great basketball teams of the 50s?
    So what was the origin of the word "Chink"? Was it an insult or not? Redskin wasn't an insulting term when it was first used. And the football team isn't trying to insult anyone?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Why? Why is the term 'darkie' a slur? Why is the term "slant eyes' a slur? At least any more of a slur than say "blondie" or "round eyes" or "shortie" or "fatso" or 'baldie'? Unkind? Yes, some of those phrases can be and I think nice people wouldn't use most of them. But a slur? How? Why?

    Not that long ago I attended the funeral of a wonderful, funny, intelligent, brilliant black lady, a former colleague who became one of my closest friends for forty years. There are very few people in my life as close as she and I were, and in teasing and banter she would call me 'honky' or 'white trash' and I would call her the "n" word and we would laugh and go on with whatever we were doing. The words had no power to hurt because they were not said out of anything but pure fun, pure love. Even as I type this I am choking back tears because I loved her so much.

    Things are insulting or hurtful or unacceptable only when we intend them to be. There is no such intent with the name of the Washington Redskins and nobody is harmed or hurt or disadvantaged or threatened in any way by that team name. No honest court in the land would find any damages of any kind because of it. To use the U.S. Patent office to attack it is unconstitutional, dangerous, and wrong.
    Again, whether or not you find it offensive is immaterial. If native americans find it offensive, it matters.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Is nigger a slur? You can use it in a polite manner with your friend to say good morning, "what's good my nigger?". Does that make it no longer a slur?
    Often times it is. There are times when it's not being used as a slur or in a derogatory fashion.
    Yes yankee is a slur too. However it doesn't refer to skin color and is not racial.
    So you at least acknowledge you rationalize and pick and choose which slurs you find more offensive and which slurs you don't. So why is your rationalization and opinions on what is more or less worthy of comdenmnation something that people should care about our respect more than anyone elses?
    [quoet]Also Native Americans lost their land in a bloody and devastating conflict in which they were shamed. [/quote]
    Appeal to emotion. This has nothing to do with whether or not the word is always used in a slurring fashion.
    As I said earlier technically it is a slur whether you like it or not.
    And as I said earlier, no it's not. It CAN be used a slur, it isn't ONLY or ALWAYS a slur. It can be used in a non-disparaging or insulting manner, which even your definitions indicate by noting it is use is not ONLY offensive in nature, and as such is not always a slur.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    The only reason Redskin is not considered a slur by many is because Native Americans are less than 1% of the population. There are plenty of Natives that find it offensive and a slur. Why are all other titles referring to a person's skin color unacceptable but its okay with Redskin? Its because there aren't very many of them.
    That makes no sense, particularly given that the word red skins is used in tribal language to describe other tribes. Then there is another problem with your claim. 90% of tribes members polled also did not find the term offensive, particularly in the context or connotation it is used in as the name of this football team. You are ignoring that connotation or context, which is striking because you were accusing someone else of ignoring connotation or context.


    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Nice dance. (and I've never heard a phrase I just came up wtih...
    'you cant handle nuance' get elevated into a cliche inside a few minutes. Do you know what a cliche is? )

    So you're OK with the Chinks? Or no?
    There is nothing surprising about the fact that a poster who keeps flinging out cliches and thinly veiled ad hominems? Flings out cliched comments like 'you cant handle nuance' at a internet message board, as a passionate defense of his admiration for cliches and thinly veiled ad homs. Meanwhile, your so called arguments are unconvincing. Particularly couched in all of those cliches while you ignore the facts that contradict you.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Thats a ten year old poll.
    Which is still newer than any polling information you have.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what was the origin of the word "Chink"? Was it an insult or not? Redskin wasn't an insulting term when it was first used. And the football team isn't trying to insult anyone?
    Again, it doesnt matter now, does it? Unless you are supporting the use of the name "The Chinks".
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I dont understand how the facts are against me. I showed virtually every dictionary definition I could find says the word is 'offensive'. Thats a fact.
    Actually it's a dishonest representation of facts. The majority of dictionary definitions suggest it CAN be offensive, not that it ALWAYS is offensive. Thus, suggesting it is singularly a SLUR and is not able to be used in any other fashion but as a slur is incorrect.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post


    There is nothing surprising about the fact that a poster who keeps flinging out cliches and thinly veiled ad hominems? Flings out cliched comments like 'you cant handle nuance' at a internet message board, as a passionate defense of his admiration for cliches and thinly veiled ad homs. Meanwhile, your so called arguments are unconvincing. Particularly couched in all of those cliches while you ignore the facts that contradict you.
    Again.... I think you might want to look up the word "cliche'.



    And you still dance.... are you OK with calling a team "The Chinks"?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which is still newer than any polling information you have.
    But the people dissatisfied with that polling result ten years ago have spent the last ten years "educating" the peoples of the tribes! So that they may more readily recognize that they should be offended, we need "new" data that does not contradict the old data we ignored. Perhaps this time the poll result will be more agreeable to our cause, but if not we'll ignore it and keep on educating anyway. Call for a new poll in another few years....................
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