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Thread: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You can't be serious. I'm really at a loss to explain this to you, but I will try again.

    Ok so take a look at lists of slurs, many of them are references to skin color. "whitey", "pinky", "pasty", "darky", understand?

    If you were to refer to somebody as "whiteskin" as a title it is construed as offensive.

    An example is "This whiteskin at the library was being so rude". Notice this is a hair away from "This whitey at the library was being so rude".

    If you refer to somebody as "white skinned" as a description of them out of utility, it is not offensive.

    An example is "This white guy at the library was being so rude". Depending on the context and the tone of the person that says it, even this could sound ridiculing. If say a black person said this in a manner construing "you know how them white people are".

    Do you understand the difference? The connotation matters here. When you refer to somebody as X skin it places emphasis on their skin color as though it has additional meaning (possibly negative as in a racist construct).
    Yes she does understand the matter and the connotation or context that this team name was picked under. Tribes member head coach and tribes members as players at the time of the selection of the name. In the decades since numerous attempts have been made by the PC forces, despite what the actual opinion of the majority of the tribes members is and despite court rulings on the matter. The main battle cry of posters such as yourself regarding this topic is basically ignore reality and all those pesky facts that I am! Lend credence to the arguments and rationalization that I enjoy cleaving to as I reject and ignore those realities which argue against my stance. The overwhelming answer seems to be, no.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    I do know why you choose not to recognize the meaning of ilk as well as acknowledge the facts that contradict your arguments and rationalizations. I just don't care about them, as they are very obvious. It clear that now you need to fall back on another internet cliche, the 'you are being irrational by observing and commenting upon the postures I'm striking' cliche. Which will no more lend your arguments that ignore inconvenient facts credence than your "chink" contortion did.

    Well, my 'ilk' comment was a bit flippant. Sorry. You obviously cant handle nuance, I guess.

    The analogy to the Chinks is very relevant. And I see you are happy to create a word salad to avoid actually stating whether you think the "Chinks' is an inapprorpiate name for a team.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Yes she does understand the matter and the connotation or context that this team name was picked under. Tribes member head coach and tribes members as players at the time of the selection of the name. In the decades since numerous attempts have been made by the PC forces, despite what the actual opinion of the majority of the tribes members is and despite court rulings on the matter. The main battle cry of posters such as yourself regarding this topic is basically ignore reality and all those pesky facts that I am! Lend credence to the arguments and rationalization that I enjoy cleaving to as I reject and ignore those realities which argue against my stance. The overwhelming answer seems to be, no.
    The only reason Redskin is not considered a slur by many is because Native Americans are less than 1% of the population. There are plenty of Natives that find it offensive and a slur. Why are all other titles referring to a person's skin color unacceptable but its okay with Redskin? Its because there aren't very many of them.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, my 'ilk' comment was a bit flippant. Sorry. You obviously cant handle nuance, I guess.

    The analogy to the Chinks is very relevant. And I see you are happy to create a word salad to avoid actually stating whether you think the "Chinks' is an inapprorpiate name for a team.
    And now on to the thinly veiled ad hominem 'you can't handle' nuance cliche. Yes I get that you think you have a brilliant argument, problem is it is unconvincing. Particularly couched in all the feeble cliches.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    These people don't seem to like it, imagine if there were 25x more of them.


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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    And now on to the thinly veiled ad hominem 'you can't handle' nuance cliche. Yes I get that you think you have a brilliant argument, problem is it is unconvincing. Particularly couched in all the feeble cliches.
    Nice dance. (and I've never heard a phrase I just came up wtih...
    'you cant handle nuance' get elevated into a cliche inside a few minutes. Do you know what a cliche is? )

    So you're OK with the Chinks? Or no?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Is redhead a slur? Is cajun or creole a slur? Is the fighting Irish a slur?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You can't be serious. I'm really at a loss to explain this to you, but I will try again.

    Ok so take a look at lists of slurs, many of them are references to skin color. "whitey", "pinky", "pasty", "darky", understand?

    If you were to refer to somebody as "whiteskin" as a title it is construed as offensive.

    An example is "This whiteskin at the library was being so rude". Notice this is a hair away from "This whitey at the library was being so rude".

    If you refer to somebody as "white skinned" as a description of them out of utility, it is not offensive.

    An example is "This white guy at the library was being so rude". Depending on the context and the tone of the person that says it, even this could sound ridiculing. If say a black person said this in a manner construing "you know how them white people are".

    Do you understand the difference? The connotation matters here. When you refer to somebody as X skin it places emphasis on their skin color as though it has additional meaning (possibly negative as in a racist construct).
    Yes, I'm perfectly serious, and you don't have to be at a loss to explain it to me. I don't see it as you do. You see it as a "slur". I don't see recognizing the color of skin as a slur.

    If you call me a white skinned woman, you aren't slurring me. It isn't offensive to me for someone to mention the color of my skin. End of story.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is redhead a slur? Is cajun or creole a slur? Is the fighting Irish a slur?
    I would think if an English school decided to name their team the Fighting Irish, and for quite a bit of their history excluded most Irish from attending because they were too poor, and low class to attend, that yes... having a London boarding school filled with English called the 'fighting Irish' might be actually considered a slur, especially if you were Irish and your ancestors fought and were killed by the English. Dont you?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Nice dance. (and I've never heard a phrase I just came up wtih...
    'you cant handle nuance' get elevated into a cliche inside a few minutes. Do you know what a cliche is? )

    So you're OK with the Chinks? Or no?
    Was Chink when first used intended to be an insult to a particular group? I'm asking only because I don't know. If it was intended to insult, then it's a slur.

    "Redskin" wasn't intended to slur anyone. It was an observation of the skin color of the Native Americans.

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