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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You are spinning in circles. Redskin is a nick name, a slang name, a descriptive term. Not an insult or slur. No offence is or was meant by it. Plus have you ever seen how the logo and team name are treated by the fans?
    Its viewed with pride and much affection. Its not treated with contempt. Its not treated as a joke.
    According to you it is not a slur, thanks for the input.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Well said. In fact Threegoofs and posters of his ilk are admitting this is their approach. The one and only poll taken so far was taken as a direct result of this controversy! As Threegoofs and others demonstrate, they still want to push the argument that the name is a slur, despite the facts that argue against them. So when that poll came out and disemboweled the arguments of the forces for PC good, these forces did what they always do with regard to this team's name. Let's wait a few more years and relaunch all the same attacks arguments and complaints? Maybe if we can just keep harping on the issues for long enough we can get sentiment from within the tribal communities and elsewhere to change if we just keep beating the same drum? Seems to be the case.

    I'm pretty sure I dont have any 'ilk'.

    I dont understand how the facts are against me. I showed virtually every dictionary definition I could find says the word is 'offensive'. Thats a fact.

    I made a comparison with the name "chinks", which got your undies in a bunch, but I noticed no one stood up for the poor people of Pekin who just wanted their Chinks moniker to stay. Do you think the 'Chinks' is an appropriate high school team name, or do you think the damn PC police are too hard on Pekin?

    And the argument has been made by Verax that the intention of the name is irrelevant, and that Native American organizations that provide a voice for NA's have condemned the name.

    As I said before, I'm OK with the name as long as they change the mascot to a basket of mashed potatoes.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm saying "you guys" because a lot of you are making these bizarre arguments where you split things up in ways that do not make sense if you would take a step back and think about it.

    Do you not understand that it is impolite to refer to somebody by their skin color as a title? It is okay to refer to somebody by their skin color in context if you have a reason to do so. I don't know how to explain something so basic to somebody, its common sense.
    They are bizarre arguments to you. My arguments aren't bizarre to me.

    It isn't impolite if you refer to me as a white woman. Is it impolite to refer to Obama as a black man? The "black" part means the color of his skin.

    What is the context of "red skin" that differs from white skin or black skin? By the way, the name refers to a football team, not someone else.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm pretty sure I dont have any 'ilk'.

    I dont understand how the facts are against me. I showed virtually every dictionary definition I could find says the word is 'offensive'. Thats a fact.

    I made a comparison with the name "chinks", which got your undies in a bunch, but I noticed no one stood up for the poor people of Pekin who just wanted their Chinks moniker to stay. Do you think the 'Chinks' is an appropriate high school team name, or do you think the damn PC police are too hard on Pekin?

    And the argument has been made by Verax that the intention of the name is irrelevant, and that Native American organizations that provide a voice for NA's have condemned the name.

    As I said before, I'm OK with the name as long as they change the mascot to a basket of mashed potatoes.
    So the name isn't offensive, just the logo?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Gee, I don't know. Is 'darkies' a slur'? Is 'slant eyes' a slur? Of course its a slur, and what a bunch of white folks think about it really isn't relevant.
    Why? Why is the term 'darkie' a slur? Why is the term "slant eyes' a slur? At least any more of a slur than say "blondie" or "round eyes" or "shortie" or "fatso" or 'baldie'? Unkind? Yes, some of those phrases can be and I think nice people wouldn't use most of them. But a slur? How? Why?

    Not that long ago I attended the funeral of a wonderful, funny, intelligent, brilliant black lady, a former colleague who became one of my closest friends for forty years. There are very few people in my life as close as she and I were, and in teasing and banter she would call me 'honky' or 'white trash' and I would call her the "n" word and we would laugh and go on with whatever we were doing. The words had no power to hurt because they were not said out of anything but pure fun, pure love. Even as I type this I am choking back tears because I loved her so much.

    Things are insulting or hurtful or unacceptable only when we intend them to be. There is no such intent with the name of the Washington Redskins and nobody is harmed or hurt or disadvantaged or threatened in any way by that team name. No honest court in the land would find any damages of any kind because of it. To use the U.S. Patent office to attack it is unconstitutional, dangerous, and wrong.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So the name isn't offensive, just the logo?
    The logo used to be just a Capital R.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm pretty sure I dont have any 'ilk'.

    I dont understand how the facts are against me. I showed virtually every dictionary definition I could find says the word is 'offensive'. Thats a fact.

    I made a comparison with the name "chinks", which got your undies in a bunch, but I noticed no one stood up for the poor people of Pekin who just wanted their Chinks moniker to stay. Do you think the 'Chinks' is an appropriate high school team name, or do you think the damn PC police are too hard on Pekin?

    And the argument has been made by Verax that the intention of the name is irrelevant, and that Native American organizations that provide a voice for NA's have condemned the name.

    As I said before, I'm OK with the name as long as they change the mascot to a basket of mashed potatoes.
    Just as you choose not to understand the meaning of ilk, so too do you choose not to understand the facts that contradict your arguments. The "chink" non parallel you were "pumping out" included.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Just as you choose not to understand the meaning of ilk, so too do you choose not to understand the facts that contradict your arguments. The "chink" non parallel you were "pumping out" included.
    I dont know why the analogy to the Chinks is not understood by you.

    Seems pretty clear to me. It also is starting to become clear that you are labeling it as a non parallel because you cant challenge it rationally.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I dont know why the analogy to the Chinks is not understood by you.

    Seems pretty clear to me. It also is starting to become clear that you are labeling it as a non parallel because you cant challenge it rationally.
    I do know why you choose not to recognize the meaning of ilk as well as acknowledge the facts that contradict your arguments and rationalizations. I just don't care about them, as they are very obvious. It clear that now you need to fall back on another internet cliche, the 'you are being irrational by observing and commenting upon the postures I'm striking' cliche. Which will no more lend your arguments that ignore inconvenient facts credence than your "chink" contortion did.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They are bizarre arguments to you. My arguments aren't bizarre to me.

    It isn't impolite if you refer to me as a white woman. Is it impolite to refer to Obama as a black man? The "black" part means the color of his skin.

    What is the context of "red skin" that differs from white skin or black skin? By the way, the name refers to a football team, not someone else.
    You can't be serious. I'm really at a loss to explain this to you, but I will try again.

    Ok so take a look at lists of slurs, many of them are references to skin color. "whitey", "pinky", "pasty", "darky", understand?

    If you were to refer to somebody as "whiteskin" as a title it is construed as offensive.

    An example is "This whiteskin at the library was being so rude". Notice this is a hair away from "This whitey at the library was being so rude".

    If you refer to somebody as "white skinned" as a description of them out of utility, it is not offensive.

    An example is "This white guy at the library was being so rude". Depending on the context and the tone of the person that says it, even this could sound ridiculing. If say a black person said this in a manner construing "you know how them white people are".

    Do you understand the difference? The connotation matters here. When you refer to somebody as X skin it places emphasis on their skin color as though it has additional meaning (possibly negative as in a racist construct).

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