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Thread: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Im pointing out the parallels. I see its challenging for you to recognize them.

    The history of the Chinks was certainly not meant to be a slur - its just what a guy from Pekin would call any oriental back at the turn of the century.

    So since the intention was totally innocent, you must be fine with calling a team 'The Chinks', and duly outraged that our PC culture pressured the good people of Pekin (and you dont know how tongue in cheek that phrase is if you havent been to Pekin) to change the name.
    What you call pumping out the parallels is actually just you pumping out a non parallel. We know the etymology of the naming of the Washington Red Skins (which you choose to ignore) and it appears three times in this thread, as well as up the page. We know that even now the majority of the tribes do not find the term offensive and we know that tribal languages use the term, which is considered a non slur in that context as well. The Red Skins were named only forty seven years ago, when the team had a tribes member as coach and tribes members playing on the team, thus honoring them. So you have no parallel to draw comparison to. Good try, no cigar.

    By the way, I don't see any duly outraged comments from anyone. Except the posters at DP that are arguing that Red Skin is a slur and the team name should be changed. Just like we don't see that coming from the tribes themselves either. As I mentioned before, I have friends in the Alabama-Coushatta nation and this topic has come up many times over the years. Usually when a new charge by the PC forces starts again. My friends in the tribal community actually laugh at all the drama over a term they are not offended by. Like them, the only people "duly outraged" over this issue I see are people like yourself, presenting arguments such as yours. Based upon those arguments and rationalizations so far it is no surprise you are not convincing people to share your view, that already don't. That has been the general reaction for decades now, the result of decided court cases and clearly now that someone in Washington DC decided to try to use the patent office as a weapon in this fight? Looks like we'll have another court case to look at the results of in the near future. Maybe you can contact the patent office and share your "chink" strategery with them?
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You went from "Kal'Strang" to "you" (as in me) in 3 sentences. I'm not Kal, you do know that, yes?

    So then someone should take a new poll. This issue has been floating around since 2006.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I suppose all these other names and mascots would be cool with many of you, too.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    But Kal'Stang has made it clear. It doesnt really matter what the poll will say. You'll stick with the ten year old poll regardless because it fits your predetermined conclusion.
    Yes I did make it clear. I made it clear that continueally making an issue of a word until such time as that word becomes a slur because you want it to be a slur and campaigned for it to be considered as such through dishonest spin should be ignored.

    I consider "white" to be a slur since my skin isn't actually white...but tan...should I get my way by lying, cajoling and spin and get that word added to the PC list of words of "don't dare say or you're a racist!"? After all, "white" could be considered the absense of all color, and the absense of all color could mean the absense of humanity, or feelings.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yeah when I get into a dispute with someone who is Irish I say "whatever fighting Irish" and he's like "yo man that was uncalled for, how could you be so crude".

    No Redskins is the formal name of the team. A nickname is an unofficial title popularly used. Is your legal name CRUE CAB?
    You are spinning in circles. Redskin is a nick name, a slang name, a descriptive term. Not an insult or slur. No offence is or was meant by it. Plus have you ever seen how the logo and team name are treated by the fans?
    Its viewed with pride and much affection. Its not treated with contempt. Its not treated as a joke.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes I did make it clear. I made it clear that continueally making an issue of a word until such time as that word becomes a slur because you want it to be a slur and campaigned for it to be considered as such through dishonest spin should be ignored.

    I consider "white" to be a slur since my skin isn't actually white...but tan...should I get my way by lying, cajoling and spin and get that word added to the PC list of words of "don't dare say or you're a racist!"? After all, "white" could be considered the absense of all color, and the absense of all color could mean the absense of humanity, or feelings.
    Well said. In fact Threegoofs and posters of his ilk are admitting this is their approach. The one and only poll taken so far was taken as a direct result of this controversy! As Threegoofs and others demonstrate, they still want to push the argument that the name is a slur, despite the facts that argue against them. So when that poll came out and disemboweled the arguments of the forces for PC good, these forces did what they always do with regard to this team's name. Let's wait a few more years and relaunch all the same attacks arguments and complaints? Maybe if we can just keep harping on the issues for long enough we can get sentiment from within the tribal communities and elsewhere to change if we just keep beating the same drum? Seems to be the case.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Here's a good way to figure it out. If you have a term for a demographic of people and it's not the term they would like to be called and what they consider the real name of their group, you have a slur. Just call people what they want to be called.
    And how far do you take it? What about the black people I know who refuse to be called "African Americans" because they want to be just plain Americans? There was a time I hated being called 'missy' or 'sweetie' or 'little lady' or some such in the work place, but were those terms slurs? Of course not. And to make a federal case out of it would have said a whole lot more about my feelings of insecurity and lack of common sense than it would have said about well-intentioned people who used the terms.

    To make something into a slur just because you don't like the term is not the way to achieve harmony, acceptance, and be seen as equals in the social order. I would very much like to dump political correctness into the trash bin and not assign unintended meanings to words and phrases and make something evil out of what is intended as good natured and not insulting.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It's the Royal 'You'.
    Why are you attributing Kal's words to me though?

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Who is "you guys"? Are you asking me to weigh in on behalf of everyone else?

    Nobody walks up to a coworker and says "hey black face" or "hey yellow face". What does that have to do with the Washington Redskins?

    So it's okay to recognize the color of one's skin as long as you don't utter the word "skin". Got it.
    I'm saying "you guys" because a lot of you are making these bizarre arguments where you split things up in ways that do not make sense if you would take a step back and think about it.

    Do you not understand that it is impolite to refer to somebody by their skin color as a title? It is okay to refer to somebody by their skin color in context if you have a reason to do so. I don't know how to explain something so basic to somebody, its common sense.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That isn't the issue. The issue is the capricious abuse of power shown by the US Patent and Trademark Office in it's politically motivated decision to rescind the Washington Redskin's trademark registration and protections.

    Are you aware of these company names having trademark protection that hasn't been rescinded:

    "Uppity Negro" - a clothing company

    "Dago Swagg" - another clothing company

    "Stinky Gringo" - a pre-mixed alcoholic beverage.

    Do you think any of those perhaps contain racial slurs?

    If the US Patent and Trademark Office is going to purge society of all racially sensitive language in patents and trademarks, they're doing a lousy job of it.
    This thread is about whether the term Redskins is a slur. So far most on this forum seem to think it is not a slur which brings light to the subject as a likely reason why so many think the Redskins name is fine besides bringing all these other arguments into the fold. If you want to argue that, maybe you should do it in the thread for that.

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