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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Thats a ten year old poll.

    So if they repeat the poll and the majority of Native Americans say it is, that means you'll change your mind??
    It's the only poll that's ever been taken of all NAs on the question.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Gee, I don't know. Is 'darkies' a slur'? Is 'slant eyes' a slur? Of course its a slur, and what a bunch of white folks think about it really isn't relevant.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Its offensive to refer to somebody by their skin color. Do you walk up to a coworker or friend and say "hey black face, do you have the paperwork". Do we refer to Obama giving a speech as "black skin is on tv talking?". Yes we refer to him as a black man if it makes sense in context.

    Do you guys even think these things through before you post?
    Who is "you guys"? Are you asking me to weigh in on behalf of everyone else?

    Nobody walks up to a coworker and says "hey black face" or "hey yellow face". What does that have to do with the Washington Redskins?

    So it's okay to recognize the color of one's skin as long as you don't utter the word "skin". Got it.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's the only poll that's ever been taken of all NAs on the question.
    Well, to be fair, it was about 800 NAs, and was buried in another poll.

    And ten years ago, polls on gay marriage and marijuana legalization would be quite different from today.

    We need a fresh, reliable opinion poll to show what Indians today think of

    But Kal'Stang has made it clear. It doesnt really matter what the poll will say. You'll stick with the ten year old poll regardless because it fits your predetermined conclusion.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, to be fair, it was about 800 NAs, and was buried in another poll.

    And ten years ago, polls on gay marriage and marijuana legalization would be quite different from today.

    We need a fresh, reliable opinion poll to show what Indians today think of

    But Kal'Stang has made it clear. It doesnt really matter what the poll will say. You'll stick with the ten year old poll regardless because it fits your predetermined conclusion.
    You went from "Kal'Strang" to "you" (as in me) in 3 sentences. I'm not Kal, you do know that, yes?

    So then someone should take a new poll. This issue has been floating around since 2006.

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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I know this might be a radical idea, but maybe consulting a dictionary might help.

    OED- says its 'dated or offensive'
    redskin: definition of redskin in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)

    Merriam Webster- 'usually offensive'

    Redskin - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Dictionary.com? 'Often derogatory or offensive'

    Redskin | Define Redskin at Dictionary.com

    McMillan Dictionary? - 'offensive'

    redskin - definition. American English definition of redskin by Macmillan Dictionary


    Seems pretty clear to me.

    But if they changed the logo to a bowl of mashed potatoes, it would work for me.
    But it has only been recently that dictionaries started identifying words like that as 'derogatory' to conform to the current political correct drumbeat.

    Again, I have never ever, even from people I know to be racist in attitude, heard the term 'redskin' used in any kind of derogatory way and certainly never as a slur. I have never seen it written as a derogatory term or as a slur. I doubt there is a soul on the planet who can point to any harm or damages cause by the term 'redskin'. It is a tempest in a teapot probably stirred up by people hoping for some fame or notoriety or profit.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

    I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.
    That isn't the issue. The issue is the capricious abuse of power shown by the US Patent and Trademark Office in it's politically motivated decision to rescind the Washington Redskin's trademark registration and protections.

    Are you aware of these company names having trademark protection that hasn't been rescinded:

    "Uppity Negro" - a clothing company

    "Dago Swagg" - another clothing company

    "Stinky Gringo" - a pre-mixed alcoholic beverage.

    Do you think any of those perhaps contain racial slurs?

    If the US Patent and Trademark Office is going to purge society of all racially sensitive language in patents and trademarks, they're doing a lousy job of it.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Here's a good way to figure it out. If you have a term for a demographic of people and it's not the term they would like to be called and what they consider the real name of their group, you have a slur. Just call people what they want to be called.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Gee, I don't know. Is 'darkies' a slur'? Is 'slant eyes' a slur? Of course its a slur, and what a bunch of white folks think about it really isn't relevant.
    Which is why I go by the fact that the majority of Native American's that were asked the question answered "no" as being my answer.
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    re: Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That isn't the issue. The issue is the capricious abuse of power shown by the US Patent and Trademark Office in it's politically motivated decision to rescind the Washington Redskin's trademark registration and protections.

    Are you aware of these company names having trademark protection that hasn't been rescinded:

    "Uppity Negro" - a clothing company

    "Dago Swagg" - another clothing company

    "Stinky Gringo" - a pre-mixed alcoholic beverage.

    Do you think any of those perhaps contain racial slurs?

    If the US Patent and Trademark Office is going to purge society of all racially sensitive language in patents and trademarks, they're doing a lousy job of it.
    I have a very large contingent of first, second, and third generation Italians in my famly and extended family and terms like Wopp and Dago are thrown around a LOT by Italians and non-Italians alike. You hear things like "you would have to be a wopp to get that" and the more traditional make their own Dago red wine--a real treat if you can get your hands on some. In such common usage the words lose all sting of racism and all power to insult. They are just terms like Yankee or Anglo or Southerner or Hillbilly or poor whites or whatever. You have to add some truly insulting adjective like 'dirty redskins' or 'ignorant Hillbilly' or 'poor white trash' or some such in order to make the words into something insulting.
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