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America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Is America a Christian Nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 25.7%

  • No

    Votes: 75 74.3%
  • Total voters
    101
Zinthaniel said:
lol a "self -smack" ? The 80's called they want their slang back. Get it together grandpa.
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Yeah... no. Since you seem to know that term's origin date and I don't it would suggest the aged one is you...

...like I said though, you are doing a brilliant job of self-smacking.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... no. Since you seem to know that term and I don't it would suggest the aged one is you... like I said though, you are doing a brilliant job of self-smacking.
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Uh, yeah, I think I heard it on Roseanne once while I was watching Nick at nite. lol It's definitely old. Unless you are 23 or younger I'm definitely younger than you.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Uh, yeah, I think I heard it on Roseanne once while I was watching Nick at nite. lol It's definitely old. Unless you are 23 or younger I'm definitely younger than you.
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Nope... close to 40. And in a moment of seriousness I don't think that is a term from the 80's... it is older than that.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nope... close to 40. And in a moment of seriousness I don't think that is a term from the 80's... it is older than that.
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Ok Bod. I think we've just about done all we can to belittle each other. lol time to move on.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Ok Bod. I think we've just about done all we can to belittle each other. .
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Not even close... but if we both have common sense then it does provide a formidable barrier to good smack.

lol time to move on
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Perhaps...
 
Bodhisattva said:
With the definition of the term "nation" and some common sense.
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How do your define a nation as being Christian? And what makes your definition valid?

... this debate is getting tiresome to be honest. Why some of you want to argue against this is beyond me.
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I am simply arguing that your opinion is not fact.
 
CLAX1911 said:
How do your define a nation as being Christian? And what makes your definition valid?

I am simply arguing that your opinion is not fact.
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My definition is valid because it is a valid term. I have laid it out fairly clearly. A nation is the people that comprise it. It has to be a majority but not a simple majority. It has to be representative.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My definition is valid because it is a valid term.
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Okay it's a valid opinion.
I have laid it out fairly clearly. A nation is the people that comprise it. It has to be a majority but not a simple majority. It has to be representative.
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So explain how this isn't more than your opinion. on how to define a nation as Christian or not.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Okay it's a valid opinion.
So explain how this isn't more than your opinion. on how to define a nation as Christian or not.
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I must have talked about this with another already... it is all opinion, that is kinda the point. There is no fact one way or another. No nation is 100% anything anymore.
 
Logicman said:
Show me a 'Christian missionary who teaches that it's ok to kill homosexuals? What's his name and background? Because that's not taught in the New Testament I read.
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The uganda "kill the gays" bill - "A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference was held in which three American Christians asserted that homosexuality is a direct threat to the cohesion of African families."

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scott Lively - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

former director of the American Family Assocation personally went to uganda and pushed for this law. He is being tried in federal court in US for a decade of trying to have gays in uganda killed.

Don Schmierer - exodus international

and Caleb Brundidge

there were "thousands of ugandans in attendance"

some do argue that the bible says to "put to death" homosexuals but here you won't go so far, so you brush aside it's in the OT, while using OT verses to back your other points
 
Logicman said:
Had you bothered to watch the video you would have known the answer to that question.

Here, try again.

23 Minutes in Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lhhEvfSaSA
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i'm afraid it could be an attempt to give my pc a virus, sorry

doesn't matter anyway. There have been similar claims by "near death experience" cases, who i could just as easily mock as 'resurrection', if you're going to use them as evidence.
 
Zyphlin said:
And yes...while the presence of a theocracy could strengthen the argument for a "Christian Nation", a theocracy isn't required for a "Christian Nation" to exist.
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Only reason i think that might be the threshold to qualify is historically this is what happens when any culture becomes overwhelmingly of one religion: ruthless oppression of the minority. Christians themselves experienced that in ancient rome for instance, and in parts of the world today.

While 70% in US may be Christian, outside certain locales, a huge number of those don't take it very seriously. A theocracy like in middle east, every justification for every law and cultural norm is made by "the koran disapproves/doesn't disapprove." I would therefore certainly call them "Islamic nations."

That's just how i define a country or smaller area (like the "bible belt" - where it seems like only the federal courts step in now and then to prevent theocracy) as "Christian/Muslim/etc." Others can disagree.
 
Bodhisattva said:
With the definition of the term "nation" and some common sense.

... this debate is getting tiresome to be honest. Why some of you want to argue against this is beyond me.
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Please Bodi....link me to what "definition" you're using

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Ah, I see you posted it later. Disregard
 
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Bodhisattva said:
My definition is valid because it is a valid term. I have laid it out fairly clearly. A nation is the people that comprise it. It has to be a majority but not a simple majority. It has to be representative.
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First...your "definition" is a subjective opinion of what the word means, not an actual definition. The first hole in the notion that it's "FACT" that the United States is a "Christian Nation".

Second...your measures for the "definition" are purefly subjective in notion in terms of your decision to say it needs to be a "majority" of the people comprising the area rather than a simple majority. Again, you can't claim something is "FACT" when it's based on your OPINION. The best you can say is it's a "fact" that it's a Christian Nation under YOUR arbitrary, subjective definition.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I must have talked about this with another already... it is all opinion, that is kinda the point. There is no fact one way or another. No nation is 100% anything anymore.
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If you acknowledge it's all opinion then why were you claiming it's "Fact"?

Lets see...

Bodhisattva said:
it is all opinion, that is kinda the point. There is no fact one way or another
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Bodhisattva said:
We are a Christian Nation. Just a fact.
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Bodhisattva said:
... and it is not a fact because I say it is a fact... but it is a fact none the less.
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Once more...

Bodhisattva said:
it is all opinion...There is no fact
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Bodhisattva said:
Just a fact.
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Bodhisattva said:
but it is a fact
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That's right folks...it's all opinion and not a fact, unless Bodhi wants to "smack" you with declarations that it's a Christian Nation in which case it absolutely is a fact. Bodhi, since you've done such a good job of populating my post up till now I think I'll go ahead and end with words of wisdom from you.

Bodhisattva said:
You are continuing to fail. You are being set up to self-smack and doing a brilliant job at it too...
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chromium said:
Only reason i think that might be the threshold to qualify is historically this is what happens when any culture becomes overwhelmingly of one religion: ruthless oppression of the minority
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And prior to the United States there was also no large scale constitution based representative republic that protected religious freedom. The fact it has happened in the past doesn't suggest it must happen in the future nor that it's a requirement.

The percentage of Christians in the country was even larger in the first century of this countries existance, and even then it did not become a theocracy, because the predominant religion of society was seperate to the ruling body. Nothing says that a religious nation within a particular state MUST become a Nation-State by taking over the government. It's entirely possible for that to NOT happen, as evidenced by the earleist days of our country.
 
chromium said:
The uganda "kill the gays" bill - "A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference was held in which three American Christians asserted that homosexuality is a direct threat to the cohesion of African families."

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scott Lively - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

former director of the American Family Assocation personally went to uganda and pushed for this law. He is being tried in federal court in US for a decade of trying to have gays in uganda killed.

Don Schmierer - exodus international

and Caleb Brundidge

there were "thousands of ugandans in attendance"

some do argue that the bible says to "put to death" homosexuals but here you won't go so far, so you brush aside it's in the OT, while using OT verses to back your other points
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You missed the part where killing gays is commanded in Christianity (the New Testament). It's not, so your whole vein of reasoning is just more hubris.
 
Logicman said:
You missed the part where killing gays is commanded in Christianity (the New Testament). It's not, so your whole vein of reasoning is just more hubris.
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It is commanded in at least one place in the Bible. Just because you believe that particular verse no longer applies, doesn't mean that other Christians believe the same way.

And don't even start the whole "they're not really Christians if they believe it currently applies" because that is a "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy. The only thing that it takes for a person to be considered Christian is that they believe in Jesus as the son of God or the way to reach God. That's it.
 
roguenuke said:
It is commanded in at least one place in the Bible. Just because you believe that particular verse no longer applies, doesn't mean that other Christians believe the same way.

And don't even start the whole "they're not really Christians if they believe it currently applies" because that is a "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy. The only thing that it takes for a person to be considered Christian is that they believe in Jesus as the son of God or the way to reach God. That's it.
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Nonsense.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." - Revelation 21:8
 
Logicman said:
Nonsense.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." - Revelation 21:8
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Consensual sex is not immoral. The OT's ban on homosexuality is a ceremonial law and not a moral one, Christians are not bound by ceremonial law.
 
chromium said:
He is being tried in federal court in US for a decade of trying to have gays in uganda killed.
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That is completely outside of federal jurisdiction. If he is not doing something against the US itself or claiming to be working on behalf of the government of the US, anything one does outside of the US is outside the US jurisdiction. The government might say otherwise, but then we are used to them taking powers that aren't theirs.
 
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