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America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Is America a Christian Nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 25.7%

  • No

    Votes: 75 74.3%
  • Total voters
    101
ernst barkmann said:
well that's true, however non religious people have influence in government as well......lobbyist span, many groups.
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very true... yet there is suppose to be seperation of church and state.. yet these multi-million dollar industries called mega-churches have their own lobbyists.
 
Ockham said:
Based on what ... What qualifications and authority do you have to base that opinion? All fall short of the grace of God. All sin (original sin). Qualify "far removed". When you cannot, and you base your statement on nothing but opinion I don't think there's much else for me to discuss with you. You're making a judgement based on your opinion, without qualification, using subjective terms like "far removed". After I've already shown you making things up in this thread, I don't think your claim or judgement carry much credibility. Sorry.
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I brought up the holidays, to which he agrees now. I brought up the marriage structure, the Protestant Work Ethic, funerals, cemetery's structure (burials), Common Law based off the Church's teachings, Jesus's forgiveness with regards to accepting homosexuality, etc etc etc and he denies it all and says that it is opinion.
 
lizzie said:
Legally, it is not Christian. Philosophically and psychologically, it is in part. It's a mix of Judeo-Christian values and western democratic ideals. Although we aren't all Christian, we are all influenced by it to a degree.
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I don't think it is either way. Ask yourself how many live the Christian life style? That mix (which is more Judeo-Christian and American mythology) you speak up largely negates much of Christianity.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't think it is either way. Ask yourself how many live the Christian life style? That mix (which is more Judeo-Christian and American mythology) you speak up largely negates much of Christianity.
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It isn't the Christian lifestyle I'm referring to. It's Judeo-Christian values (not lifestyle), as an example in our laws of the land.
 
Bodhisattva said:
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You have shown that our country was influenced by christianity, you have not proven that it is currently a christian nation.

The holidays you list no longer reflect their christian origins.

That's like saying greece is a pagan nation because of their polytheistic past.

The us is no longer a christain nation in practice. Its culture and laws prove that.
 
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tres borrachos said:
COPYCAT!

I already posted that.
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I actually posted about it first... he challenged it and then you posted the "Christianity" of it before me... so I was 1st, you were 2nd and I was 3rd. ;)
 
Perotista said:
As a kid growing up in the 1950’s there was no doubt the U.S. was a Christian nation. You would have to look long and hard to find someone who would state that it wasn’t, if you could find someone. We were taught in school that the founding father prayed and asked god for guidance. The ten commandants were on the door of the courthouse and the manger scene and more was on the city hall lawn come Christmas time. We even said the pledge of allegiance and had a prayer before class while I was in elementary school.

The debate on whether the United States is a Christian nation or not is a recent phenomenon. In a recent Gallup poll 77% of Americans said they were Christian.

In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian

I think with that many Christians in the U.S., that in itself should be enough to convince anyone the U.S. is a Christian nation. In my travels around the world, every country I have been to consider the U.S. a Christian nation. I would assume if you ask those from any other country the question, is the U.S. a Christian Nation and the response would be a resounding yes.

So the debate whether we are or aren’t a Christian Nation is among only a few here, inside this country. That debate has been long settled all over the world.
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I think what people are really attempting to challenge is whether or not our government should write laws in accordance with the bible (without secular reason) and elevate Christianity in its public actions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Ockham, mbig and I keep providing evidence and you keep countering with your opinion...
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The poll and the other's disagreeing with all you in this thread evidence enough that your stance is not absolute. Your opinion is of the minority. Your ego is big and shiny though.
 
Zinthaniel said:
I pointed out the government officials saying that are passing those laws because of what the bible dictates is right for their country. If their laws are chosen based on theocratic principles like that, then yes it is a Christian nation - not only by way of legislation, but also by culture.
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Bingo - and when our politicians claim the support of Christianity and the bible for their legislation and when our culture is also thoroughly infused with Christianity, we fall under the exact same heading.

You can cheat all you want. Nothing in our government punishes infidelity
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On the contrary, depending on the state it can be punished in a divorce court rather severely, and at the national level if you commit adultery while in the military your commanding officer can have you thrown in jail.

What clothing standards. By law all you have to do is cover your nipples if you are a women and your ass & Va jay jay. That's it.
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That is what you call a "standard". A boundary. A border. Here And No Further. Etc.

Honestly it surprises me that you think we have a christian culture here. Especially since so many Christians say the exact opposite.
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I am pointing out that by the standards you propose, we are a Christian nation with a Christian culture and a Christian political system.
 
Deuce said:
I think what people are really attempting to challenge is whether or not our government should write laws in accordance with the bible (without secular reason) and elevate Christianity in its public actions.
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No. Zithaniel got smacked around in another thread, and this is his protest Well-I'll-Show-YOU thread in response :roll:
 
lizzie said:
It's Judeo-Christian values (not lifestyle), as an example in our laws of the land.
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DING DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!
 
Zinthaniel said:
So you don't believe this is a christian nation.
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Stop deleting their whole post... we have no idea what you are referring to as a result.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Stop deleting their whole post... we have no idea what you are referring to as a result.
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Cp implied that us is a christian nation by my standards, incorrectly, referring to my argument in which I defined uganda as a christian nation because it's government actively persues strict and conservative laws based on christian theocratic principals.

I want his personal amswer minus the sarcasm.
 
Deuce said:
I think what people are really attempting to challenge is whether or not our government should write laws in accordance with the bible (without secular reason) and elevate Christianity in its public actions.
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That depends on the law. Laws that say you shall not murder, shall not steal, sure. Those are two of the ten commandments. Now the rest of them, probably not and some I would say heck no.

Now I have no problem with a manger scene on the town hall lawn and I sort of miss it. That doesn't hurt no one. I think us old folks would say it use to be kind of quaint. But no, we should have no laws whatsoever forcing a religion on anyone and we should have no laws whatsoever prohibiting the practice of one religion.
 
lizzie said:
It isn't the Christian lifestyle I'm referring to. It's Judeo-Christian values (not lifestyle), as an example in our laws of the land.
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Values that you don't live by are not values. Anyway, it was a conservative commentator in Chicago that I first heard this argument from. Can we claim to be something we don't live. Can we call it a value?

And our laws can be seen as quite secular.
 
Zinthaniel said:
The poll and the other's disagreeing with all you in this thread evidence enough that your stance is not absolute. Your opinion is of the minority. Your ego is big and shiny though.
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Not one person other than you has disagreed with me and a non-public poll is irrelevant. For all I know you are at a university going around logging into to different computers and voting "no" 21 times.

And it isn't my ego... it is my frustration when dealing with people that refuse to acknowledge things that are so common sense, simple and that are NOT a big deal that bother me.

You have shown that our country was influenced by christianity, you have not proven that it is currently a christian nation.

The us is no longer a christain nation in practice. Its culture and laws prove that.
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Do we not have the same laws that we once did? Laws that reflect the religious morality of Christianity like murder, theft, adultery? Our culture does not have Christian wedding traditions like vows, exchanging rings, etc?

The holidays you list no longer reflect their christian origins.
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Hell yes they do. Are you crazy? Just because they are more commercialized does not negate their religious significance. There are nativity scenes, carolling, prayer, etc. and my family isn't even religious and we participate in many of these things.




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That, along with the funeral and marriage traditions, burials and this, the moment of silence:

A moment of silence is the expression for a period of silent contemplation, prayer, reflection, or meditation. Similar to flying a flag at half-mast, a moment of silence is often a gesture of respect, particularly in mourning for those who have died recently or as part of a tragic historical event.

Silent prayer and worship, including moments of silence practiced during other group activities have been practiced by Quakers for more than 300 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_silence

We have national and local moments of silence that are even allowed in secular public education.
 
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"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." --Treaty of Tripoli (1797) Carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams




Case closed.

Let's put this 'Christian nation' idea in the round file and move on to more important things.
 
OnWisconsin said:
Individually sure.. as an organization that is tax free based on their religion ... no.. they should not be able to
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how about we have no organizations petition Washington and only individuals.

that is what the founders had in mind.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Cp implied that us is a christian nation by my standards, incorrectly, referring to my argument in which I defined uganda as a christian nation because it's government actively persues strict and conservative laws based on christian theocratic principals.

I want his personal amswer minus the sarcasm.
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You have done this at least a few times now... so just leave the posts so we have context.
 
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