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America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Is America a Christian Nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 25.7%
  • No

    Votes: 75 74.3%

  • Total voters
    101
Christianity has served as a common reference for the majority of Americans since the beginning of the country. Even today, Christianity is the majority form of metaphysical expression. As metaphy expression is a key component in most cultures, it is regarding American ethnicity as well.
I think this is a personal interpretation, an opinion, but a not a demonstrable fact.

This is not to say that the Bible serves as a common reference for all Americans, but certainly the majority and always has.
Yeah - we have a large christian population, but I don't believe it is accurate to refer to our nation as christian.
 
A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.
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America is not a Christian nation, far from it. So few things about our country are honoring to God and it only goes further and further away from the truth in culture and legality.

What America is is a country where the majority professes to be Christian. It is not, however, a Christian nation in the sense of it being a nation that honors God or lives by His principals.
 
A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.

The US government is secular. (God be praised for that because the current regime would have me wearing a burka.) The predominant religion in the US is Christian. Anything more is mere semantics.
 
I think this is a personal interpretation, an opinion, but a not a demonstrable fact.

It is a demonstrable fact that the Bible has served as a common reference throughout the history of the US, and serves as a majority line of reference.

Yeah - we have a large christian population, but I don't believe it is accurate to refer to our nation as christian.

That depends on context, basically how one is defining 'Christian' in nation. Culturally, yes. Theocratically, no.
 
Honestly I really don't care either way and you need to relax, it's a conscious decision, not a disease. Contrary to some belief, simply seeing Christian symbols will not infect you.

No, it won't. But some of us hope it does.
 
That depends on context, basically how one is defining 'Christian' in nation. Culturally, yes. Theocratically, no.

There is nothing culturally christian about our nation. Everything about this Nation contradicts God's will and teachings. Maybe once upon a time... sure. But in this modern era, no.
 
You're just trying to disenfranchise Christians from the fabric of American culture.
 
omg... Is that what you really think I'm trying do?

I don't know what you're trying to do, I'm assessing what you are actually doing. Belittling the contribution of the Bible to US culture, and thereby Christians to US culture and even ethnicity, is blind unjust discriminatory rage.
 
A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.

That is interesting. Are you now stating that the standard that you erected in order to declare Uganda a Christian Nation is illegitimate?


How can something be "entirely" secular when there are obvious counterexamples, such as Blue Laws, the existence of an office of Congressional Chaplain, etc.? Do you not mean to say that the vast majority of laws are not intended to enforce specifically Christian teachings?
 
I don't know what you're trying to do, I'm assessing what you are actually doing. Belittling the contribution of the Bible to US culture, and thereby Christians to US culture and even ethnicity, is blind unjust discriminatory rage.

10 points to House Gryffindor.
 
I don't know what you're trying to do, I'm assessing what you are actually doing. Belittling the contribution of the Bible to US culture, and thereby Christians to US culture and even ethnicity, is blind unjust discriminatory rage.
Too bad you are wrong on all accounts.

If the contribution you are referring to is slavery, subjugation of women, intolerance of homosexuals and a whole slue of other despicable laws - then yes I as an African American Homosexual just may be diminishing it indeed. Without a shred of guilt while doing so.
 
Legally, it is not Christian. Philosophically and psychologically, it is in part. It's a mix of Judeo-Christian values and western democratic ideals. Although we aren't all Christian, we are all influenced by it to a degree.

Jesus Christ! I don't know what in hell what make you think our culture or language is being influenced by the god damn religion. Lord help me...
 
There is nothing culturally christian about our nation. Everything about this Nation contradicts God's will and teachings. Maybe once upon a time... sure. But in this modern era, no.

Jesus, like the Hermes Trismegistus taught 'as above so below, as below so above.' Many monuments in DC have reflecting pools or are by water to illustrate this ancient concept: Try Washington Monument, Capitol building among others. Also, the vestibule of the Library of Congress has the same emblem on the ceiling and the floor below it to illustrate the same. Jesus was teaching the Ancient Egyptian mystery religion. So, you might be surprised at what you find in DC if you took the time to look for it. The words inscribed on the top of the Washington Monument are "Laus deo" which mean 'praise be to God.' Here is a list of religious symbols in DC which I simply do not want to copy, but you are free to read them:

Mixing religion and politics: Faith symbols tucked into power capital

It can be denied until kingdom come. The symbology of our capitol says this is a nation that honors God.
 
That is interesting. Are you now stating that the standard that you erected in order to declare Uganda a Christian Nation is illegitimate?


How can something be "entirely" secular when there are obvious counterexamples, such as Blue Laws, the existence of an office of Congressional Chaplain, etc.? Do you not mean to say that the vast majority of laws are not intended to enforce specifically Christian teachings?

Our modern culture and the laws in this country that contradict so many of the teachings in the bible suggest that this country is hardly Christian as a nation. If you are simply referring to people who claim to be christian are large in population then sure, but that doesn't define a nation.
 
Jesus, like the Hermes Trismegistus taught 'as above so below, as below so above.' Many monuments in DC have reflecting pools or are by water to illustrate this ancient concept: Try Washington Monument, Capitol building among others. Also, the vestibule of the Library of Congress has the same emblem on the ceiling and the floor below it to illustrate the same. Jesus was teaching the Ancient Egyptian mystery religion. So, you might be surprised at what you find in DC if you took the time to look for it. The words inscribed on the top of the Washington Monument are "Laus deo" which mean 'praise be to God.' Here is a list of religious symbols in DC which I simply do not want to copy, but you are free to read them:

Mixing religion and politics: Faith symbols tucked into power capital

Nation is defined by it's government and it culture, not a bunch of old relics from a time long passed. Do you honestly think our government and our American culture reflects Biblical teachings?
 
This is one of those questions that is asked a lot but is never answered to everyone's satisfaction, isn't black & white, and will probably never really be answered.

I can only say that for myself, as a non-religious person (by choice, as is my husband), I see myself living in a society that certainly has many Christian-only relevancies. Christmas, for instance. No, we don't observe the religious aspect of it, but we certainly observe it, and it is certainly a Christian holiday. Same for Easter. I don't observe Rosh Hashannah, or Ramadan.

I don't believe in God, but I say "Oh my God" at least 2 times per day. I don't say "Oh my Allah".

So even though we don't intend to, it seems that most of us have "Christianity" as part of our lives.

The groups who came here in the 1600s came here for religious reasons. The Puritans couldn't observe their religion in England so they came here to be free. Of course that was an odd brand of Christianity and when they got here, they banned people from society for not observing their views, which is the same thing that happened to them in England, causing them to come here.

I think probably the founding Fathers assumed Christianity would be the prevailing religion in the USA not having much if any exposure to Hinduism and Muslim and other religions, but they probably didn't assume it would be exclusive.

So while that was all a non-answer, I'd say no, we're probably more a melting pot of religions, but yes, Christian and all its strains is the prominent one so if you base it on pure population alone, we would be a Christian nation. If you base on it the way it should be governed, then no, it shouldn't be considered a Christian nation.
 
Nation is defined by it's government and it culture, not a bunch of old relics from a time long passed. Do you honestly think our government and our American culture reflects Biblical teachings?

Yes, I think the way the majority of Americans live their lives reflects that they do their very best to live by Biblical teachings. But you have to leave the ghetto to see that.
 
This is one of those questions that is asked a lot but is never answered to everyone's satisfaction, isn't black & white, and will probably never really be answered.

I can only say that for myself, as a non-religious person (by choice, as is my husband), I see myself living in a society that certainly has many Christian-only relevancies. Christmas, for instance. No, we don't observe the religious aspect of it, but we certainly observe it, and it is certainly a Christian holiday. Same for Easter. I don't observe Rosh Hashannah, or Ramadan.

I don't believe in God, but I say "Oh my God" at least 2 times per day. I don't say "Oh my Allah".

So even though we don't intend to, it seems that most of us have "Christianity" as part of our lives.

The groups who came here in the 1600s came here for religious reasons. The Puritans couldn't observe their religion in England so they came here to be free. Of course that was an odd brand of Christianity and when they got here, they banned people from society for not observing their views, which is the same thing that happened to them in England, causing them to come here.

I think probably the founding Fathers assumed Christianity would be the prevailing religion in the USA not having much if any exposure to Hinduism and Muslim and other religions, but they probably didn't assume it would be exclusive.

So while that was all a non-answer, I'd say no, we're probably more a melting pot of religions, but yes, Christian and all its strains is the prominent one so if you base it on pure population alone, we would be a Christian nation. If you base on it the way it should be governed, then no, it shouldn't be considered a Christian nation.

Good post.
 
Our modern culture and the laws in this country that contradict so many of the teachings in the bible suggest that this country is hardly Christian as a nation. If you are simply referring to people who claim to be christian are large in population then sure, but that doesn't define a nation.

You claimed that Uganda was a Christian nation because a majority of its populace was Christian and its leadership cited their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy.

I pointed out to you that a majority of the population of the United States is Christian, and that our leadership cites their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy, yet for this one you don't want to accept the results of your own test.

You can choose both or neither - if you wish to chuck Uganda overboard as not a Christian nation, that is fine, then at least you are being consistent. But there is only one string that is consistent with your flip-flopping claims thus far and that is that you wish to paint Christianity in as dark a light as possible. :shrug: Until you choose to be consistent with the application of your definitions, that will be the only continuous position you have taken.
 
Yes, I think the way the majority of Americans live their lives reflects that they do their very best to live by Biblical teachings. But you have to leave the ghetto to see that.

Wow really -
*With on a national level
-promiscuity on the rise
-Rising divorce rates
-Liberated homosexuals and tolerance to them
-half naked celebrities on every channel in every movie
- sex on everyone's mind

all of that is American - and that some how equals "Christian Nation". ok.
 
I don't believe in God, but I say "Oh my God" at least 2 times per day. I don't say "Oh my Allah".

Yeah, but you also don't speak a Semitic language (I assume). God is Allah is Yahweh.
 
Wow really -
*With on a national level
-promiscuity on the rise
-Rising divorce rates
-Liberated homosexuals and tolerance to them
-half naked celebrities on every channel in every movie
- sex on everyone's mind

all of that is American - and that some how equals "Christian Nation". ok.

Hm. What makes you think that "Christian" means "doesn't sin"? The fact that we recognize that we sin is one of Christianity's first principles.

Worth noting, perhaps, fewer teens are having sex, divorce rates are falling, having sex on the mind isn't necessarily a bad thing, and loving homosexuals is a pretty Christian thing to do. But I get where you were headed.
 
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You claimed that Uganda was a Christian nation because a majority of its populace was Christian and its leadership cited their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy.
No i Didn't actually. I said Uganda was a christian nation because it populace is predominately christian and it government creates laws that reflect christian values - God's will. The nation has shown increasing interest in becoming a theocracy- along with their anti gay law was a slue of other laws regarding social standards, infidelity, and clothing all, unabashedly, related to Christian beliefs.
 
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