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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A nation is not simply defined by it's majority. Your definition does not support that claim you are making.
    There are many other religions in out country all of which are give equal respect and autonomy (with the context of our secular laws) and freedom to exist.
    This also includes those who do not believe.
    Our government does not favor nor legislate in accordance to christian beliefs, in fact as of late is has continuously ruled in favor of secular laws that many Christians are appalled by seeing as the laws offend their moral standards.
    Our culture is not Christian at all.
    It also stems from the Protestant Work Ethic...

    The Protestant work ethic is often credited with helping to define the societies of Northern Europe and other countries where Protestantism was common (for example, the Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States of America). Writer Frank Chodorov argued that the Protestant ethic was long considered indispensable for American political figures:

    Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ...and if the people that make up the nation represent a majority then that is what the nation primarily is. If you deny that then you are arguing that nothing is pure since nothing is 100%. To argue that the majority does not define a nation is ridiculous. That means that Israel is not a Jewish State since Christians and Muslims live there in a minority. That dogs aren't carnivores because sometimes they eat grass to help their digestive system... etc.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    As I said, I'm not a Christian, but I also never thought keeping your breasts covered was a Christian thing. The Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. women all do the same thing in public.
    Well yeah, my point is, that the culture here is far removed from the teachings of christ. So to call the nation christian is weird to me.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It also stems from the Protestant Work Ethic...

    The Protestant work ethic is often credited with helping to define the societies of Northern Europe and other countries where Protestantism was common (for example, the Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States of America). Writer Frank Chodorov argued that the Protestant ethic was long considered indispensable for American political figures:
    No I'm denying your superficial qualification for a nation. At one point this nation could accurately be called Christian, it no longer is though.
    I believe culture, practices, and the actual character that can be seen throughout the country is what defines the nation.

    The US is a melting pot of everything. However as culture and scripture is concerned we are far removed from biblical standards. So to say with a straight face that America - with it's liberal society regarding so many things that the bible condemns, is a Christian nation is so incredibly strange to me. I don't believe that simply pointing at the majority and their claimed belief, i say claimed because many Christians are just christian in title, can accurately define a nation. It's too narrow in it's scope.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Jesus Christ! I don't know what in hell what make you think our culture or language is being influenced by the god damn religion. Lord help me...
    Wow!

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Irrelevant. If a majority of a nations people self identify as Christian it's a Christian nation. We're talking about political theology, or what beliefs these Christians have or to what extent belief is part of their daily lives. We're talking about the people inhabiting the nation. 77% self identify as Christian - whether you like it or not, whether you believe they are "real" Christians or not.... your claim about 77% bloviating nonsense since you have not provided any source for your claim.
    Can you believe someone referred to our beautiful monuments in this manner?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Nation is defined by it's government and it culture, not a bunch of old relics from a time long passed. Do you honestly think our government and our American culture reflects Biblical teachings?
    Is the US Constitution an 'old relic from times past?'
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Well yeah, my point is, that the culture here is far removed from the teachings of christ. So to call the nation christian is weird to me.
    I think you have exemplified that you don't know or understand the teachings of Christ.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I think you have exemplified that you don't know or understand the teachings of Christ.
    No I understand them a plenty. I don't understand how a nation that proudly supports a culture that is no where near the teachings of christ can be considered a christian nation.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    lol, um ok. I didn't deny that 77% of americans Identify as Christian, I'm denying the notion that Christian ins agree that the U.S is a christian nation, what with it's many laws and liberal standards that are far removed from christian teachings.
    First, you can deny all you want - it doesn't change the facts. Second, the law of the US are based on Christian teachings. The laws were based on Christian teachings as Joseph Story wrote in 1833:

    But independently of any weight in any of these authorities, can any man seriously doubt, that Christianity is recognized as true, as a revelation, by the law of England, that is, by the common law? What becomes of her whole ecclesiastical establishment, and the legal rights growing out of it on any other supposition? What of her test acts, and acts perpetually referring to it as a divine system, obligatory upon all? Is not the reviling of any establishment, created and supported by the public law, held a libel by the common law ? ("Christianity a part of the Common Law" by Joseph Story, written in 1824 but unpublished until published in The American Jurist and Law Magazine, 9 (April 1833): 346-348. The Life and Letters of Joseph Story, ed William Story, Vol. I, Charles C. Little and James Brown, (1851) pp 429-434. )

    You stated and I quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel
    The majority seems to deny it, including Christians themselves.
    You were proven wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel
    77% Christians do not think this country accurately reflects the values of their religion and moral standards.
    You were asked for a source of that claim and you have provided none - therefore It seems like you made it up.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No I understand them a plenty. I don't understand how a nation that proudly supports a culture that is no where near the teachings of christ can be considered a christian nation.
    So what would you consider a culture that is 'near the teachings of Christ?' Paint the picture for us.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
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    So you believe that we have laws and a culture that is synonymous to the teachings of christ? Laws that support many things that the bible says "No No" to.

    If you say so.
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