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America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Is America a Christian Nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 25.7%
  • No

    Votes: 75 74.3%

  • Total voters
    101

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." --Treaty of Tripoli (1797) Carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams



Case closed.



That is rubbish.

That treaty was signed with that clause because we wanted compliance from Muslim pirates that would not come to terms with "Christians" and nothing more.

Case closed? :lol: That **** is funny!
 
That is rubbish.

That treaty was signed with that clause because we wanted compliance from Muslim pirates that would not come to terms with "Christians" and nothing more.

Case closed? :lol: That **** is funny!





That ratified treaty is the law of the land.
 

Lmao, You honestly believe laws against murder, thefy, etc exist because of christianity?
And every other society that has those exact same laws where also influenced by christianity?

Laws against murder, rape, theft, and crime in general does not make this nation christian. Its rediculous that you think so.
 
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Lmao, You honestly believe laws against murder, thefy, etc exist because of christianity?
And every other society that has those exact same laws where also influenced by christianity?

Laws against murder, rape, theft, and crime in general does not make this nation christian. Its rediculous that you think so.

I specifically stated how parallel laws do not negate the Christian morality of those laws in the historical context of the United States. Regardless, I can see that your debate tactics suck donkey dick, no evidence of anything and total refutation of most evidence provided with nothing other than opinion... your continued intentional deleting of the post quoted is also pathetically childish... your apparent lack of common sense... and quite frankly the stupidity of your conclusions make debating with you any longer a futile effort.
 
As a kid growing up in the 1950’s there was no doubt the U.S. was a Christian nation. You would have to look long and hard to find someone who would state that it wasn’t, if you could find someone. We were taught in school that the founding father prayed and asked god for guidance. The ten commandants were on the door of the courthouse and the manger scene and more was on the city hall lawn come Christmas time. We even said the pledge of allegiance and had a prayer before class while I was in elementary school.

The debate on whether the United States is a Christian nation or not is a recent phenomenon. In a recent Gallup poll 77% of Americans said they were Christian.

In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian

I think with that many Christians in the U.S., that in itself should be enough to convince anyone the U.S. is a Christian nation. In my travels around the world, every country I have been to consider the U.S. a Christian nation. I would assume if you ask those from any other country the question, is the U.S. a Christian Nation and the response would be a resounding yes.

So the debate whether we are or aren’t a Christian Nation is among only a few here, inside this country. That debate has been long settled all over the world.

That's the world I grew up in, too, and life was definitely easier in those days. It's almost like some want the government to be the decider of what is right or wrong these days, and they would like to do away with religion entirely. Why? :confused:
 
That ratified treaty is the law of the land.
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So what? That doesn't negate the fact that Christianity permeates most of American society. In fact, America was MORE Christian when that was written than it is now. Using that treaty as evidence only indicates that you don't understand your history, which is ironic.
 
I specifically stated how parallel laws do not negate the Christian morality of those laws in the historical context of the United States. Regardless, I can see that your debate tactics suck donkey dick, no evidence of anything and total refutation of most evidence provided with nothing other than opinion... your continued intentional deleting of the post quoted is also pathetically childish... your apparent lack of common sense... and quite frankly the stupidity of your conclusions make debating with you any longer a futile effort.

You have offered nothing that proves your stance. Constantly conflating influence with national identity. Our modern culture as whole has nothing to do with christian values or standards, with many of our cultural norms being starkly contradicted by the standards established in the bible.

You go on to point out holidays that reflect nothing of their religious origins.

If a nation is defined by its people, its culture, then evidentally the us is far from christian.

And your sissy fit over me deleting posts in my rebuttals is petty. Me deleting the post does not remove your actual post, and in context of my response anyone can clearly discern what point of yours im responding too. Also the blue thing next to the user name is a direct link to their post.
 
That's the world I grew up in, too, and life was definitely easier in those days. It's almost like some want the government to be the decider of what is right or wrong these days, and they would like to do away with religion entirely. Why? :confused:

I don't have an answer to that. But perhaps a cliche, people have changed from worshiping god to worshiping government. Best I can do.
 
And your sissy fit over me deleting posts in my rebuttals is petty. Me deleting the post does not remove your actual post, and in context of my response anyone can clearly discern what point of yours im responding too. Also the blue thing next to the user name is a direct link to their post.

The quote function is there to quote. To quote, delete the quote and then expect people to go back to read the quote leaving this page and then having to come back is literally, and I mean ****ing literally... stupid.

Regarding Christianity... I am done with that other than to say, I have been around the nation, seen the holidays in action, understand where moments of silence, marriages, etc. derive.... and you seem to be totally clueless. Perhaps instead of trying to deny something so obvious you could learn to be open... but for all I know you are a raging atheist with some pathetic agenda. Who knows? Who cares? One thing is obvious and that is that you are denying simple reality.
 
I don't have an answer to that. But perhaps a cliche, people have changed from worshiping god to worshiping government. Best I can do.

...and even worshipping the idea that there is no god and that those that arrive at the morals from God are ignorant.
 
I don't have an answer to that. But perhaps a cliche, people have changed from worshiping god to worshiping government. Best I can do.

That won't last long if they find they have to go to church six or seven days a week to show government they worship them! Nope, not long at all! Of course, you might be excused during their days off, which are plentiful. :lamo:
 

Lol how is it that I managed to debate you so far without making any assumptions about your character or your agenda?

Ive lived in this country my whole life. You are no more an expert on it's culture or national identity than I am, and by the looks of it many disagree with you.

Also get over the quote thing. Its a non issue.
 
Don't know, don't much care.

Religion is for the weak and/or the ignorant and/or the desperate.
 
That won't last long if they find they have to go to church six or seven days a week to show government they worship them! Nope, not long at all! Of course, you might be excused during their days off, which are plentiful. :lamo:

LOL, We all or the average is we work for the government until may something to pay our taxes. That is working almost 5 months before we can earn a cent for ourselves. one might as well bow down and worship government, they have us by the balls anyway. At least me, maybe not you. Did I just say that?
 
We are a nation of mostly Christians, but we are not a Christian nation. To be the later would mean that we are a theocracy, which, thank God, we are not.
 
I think in order to answer this question one must look at the conditions under which Christianity exist and that under which America exists.

Christianity is first and foremost a religion which values collective efforts and shuns self interest. It is one where a single person's efforts are seen within the larger context of a collective struggle. Jesus' for all his suffering only did so for the bettering of mankind (John 3:16). Moses united his people under a single banner (Acts: 7-24-25). David did the same. Even God's interactions with biblical figures are within the larger scope of bettering not only that particular person's situation but that of a group of people.

In contrast, the American narrative is one where figures are praised when they value individualism (at least according to Libertarians) and when they shun collective struggles. In that sense, America could not be further from Christianity or even being considered a Christian nation. It doesn't place any sort of possitive value on efforts to better society unless there is something to be gained.

So no, America is not a Christian nation. A Christian nation would make a better effort to collectively rise out of whatever problems ill society. I would say that the people who most closely embody the "Christian nation" narrative would probably be Jehova's Witnesses. They seem to value the collective self preservation structure far more than American protestants (Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans etc.). It's been my experience that when one of them is in trouble, the entire community pitches in. Whether these problems are social, economic or even personal matters little. They simply offer to help. This is in sharp contrast to what one sees from the average American protestant or even Catholic who is far more concerned with personal growth (which no doubt evolved from the good works/Sola Fides doctrine) than the bettering of their communities.
 
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Also the blue thing next to the user name is a direct link to their post.

If you are talking about the quote in post #153, then it leads to nowhere, which makes one wonder what exactly you are responding to and quoting for context.
 
Would you call the U.S. a "Female Nation" because the majority of the populace is women? Or perhaps a right handed easily sunburned nation?

The only important thing about religious demographics in the U.S. is that they shouldn't matter who is the majority because we are guaranteed the same rights under the constitution.
 
Lol how is it that I managed to debate you so far without making any assumptions about your character or your agenda?

I clearly said, "for all I know" meaning that I don't know and I am not going to make an assumption.

You are no more an expert on it's culture or national identity than I am,

That may well be... but then again I may well be an expert compared to you...

and by the looks of it many disagree with you.

Appeal to Popularity... that is a logical fallacy, BTW.

Also get over the quote thing. Its a non issue.

It is an issue. It needlessly and stupidly complicates a simple communication process for no reason. I am over it in the sense that I care that you do it... I am not over it in the sense that you doing it is ****ing stupid though.
 
If you are talking about the quote in post #153, then it leads to nowhere, which makes one wonder what exactly you are responding to and quoting for context.

Im on my phone, ive been on it for a while so I can't see what you see. I delete post when the quote is very long, it's just a visual preference .

It's possible while on my phone I messed up the link
 
Im on my phone, ive been on it for a while so I can't see what you see. I delete post when the quote is very long, it's just a visual preference .

It's possible while on my phone I messed up the link

I clicked on the quote origin link and got "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator". The link URL is :http://www.debatepolitics.com / showthread.php? p=106342713#post106342713 (spaces added to show entire address)

If that actually means anything to anyone. Given that those numbers are exactly the same though it seems you must have messed it up pretty bad.
 
Would you call the U.S. a "Female Nation" because the majority of the populace is women? Or perhaps a right handed easily sunburned nation?

I would argue that this is a heterosexual nation or a right handed nation... yes. It is.

The only important thing about religious demographics in the U.S. is that they shouldn't matter who is the majority because we are guaranteed the same rights under the constitution.

That doesn't matter in this debate at all...
 
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