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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think most people do try to live their lives in that way, intentionally or otherwise. I'm not religious, as I said, but I appreciate (and follow) the values that are laid out in the 10 Commandments and knowingly or unknowingly follow the Golden Rule in my life.
    Yes, Christian behavior as best we can achieve it as fallible mortals is reflected in the behavior of most Americans. I don't think that celebrities are the gold standard for Americans, and the Bible says that King David was 'a man after God's own heart.' King David committed adultery with the wife of one of his soldiers even though he had hundreds of his own wives and concubines, then when he couldn't cover that he had impregnated her because her husband was so loyal to him he wouldn't have sex with her while on duty, King David had him killed. God took the son King David had with Bathsheba. It was clearly the most horrible punishment he could have endured. God does not demand perfection from us. If a person does not want to believe, that is fine. But to be constantly badgering believers about how they don't follow the teachings of Christ is inappropriate. The one doing the badgering doesn't either and has no room to judge. A Christian's relationship with his or her God is between that person and God. Only.

    You are correct, our rules of etiquette, if abided by, keep most on a largely Christian pathway whether or not they believe.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I don't hold myself to christian standards, and never will. Nor does this nation as a whole. I don't believe there is anything wrong with someone who enjoys sex. Who doesn't want to hide their body. Who wants to divorce their crappy husband or wife. Or who is homosexual and proud. Don't mind any of those things. Don't think any of those things call for saving either.
    What you believe is irrelevant - it's what the nation as a whole believes. As of 2012, 77% of American's identify themselves as Christian. Obviously there are infinite variations of what that means, what these individuals believe, etc. Bottom line was and has been that this nation was founded and built upon Christian fundamental views by it's leaders, by it's people. It's on our money, it's on our state houses, prayer occurs in Congress, during our Presidential transfers of power. Christian churches have dominated our landscape as the country grew from East to West. The laws which the US created were based on English Common Law which went back into history and are based on Christian morality.

    You can deny it all you want, but that would just make you a denier.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes, and as evidence of the latter you presented the leadership citing their Christian beliefs and the bible in defending their policy. IOW, exactly what I said.
    I pointed out the government officials saying that are passing those laws because of what the bible dictates is right for their country. If their laws are chosen based on theocratic principles like that, then yes it is a Christian nation - not only by way of legislation, but also by culture.

    Infidelity is also part of US law - divorce law. As are clothing standards. Both of which come from our Christian heritage.
    You can cheat all you want. Nothing in our government punishes infidelity. And divorce is accessible to anyone as many times as they want.

    What clothing standards. By law all you have to do is cover your nipples if you are a women and your ass & Va jay jay. That's it.

    Honestly it surprises me that you think we have a christian culture here. Especially since so many Christians say the exact opposite.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You can deny it all you want, but that would just make you a denier.
    The majority seems to deny it, including Christians themselves.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    The majority seems to deny it, including Christians themselves.
    77% who identify as Christians don't deny it, meaning your claim of a majority is bupkus.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Treaty of Tripoli

    The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

    The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in the United States.

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    77% who identify as Christians don't deny it, meaning your claim of a majority is bupkus.
    77% Christians do not think this country accurately reflects the values of their religion and moral standards. Sorry, try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

    The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

    A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

    Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
    Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

    There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.
    73% of Americans identify as Christian

    “Nones” on the Rise | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

    The Founders ... were nearly unanimous concerning biblical morality. They understood the relationship between state and society differently than progressive thinkers today: government cannot mold man. Righteous men must mold government which requires the inculcation of virtue through vibrant churches and the transmittal of values generationally via a social structure based on families.

    Was America Founded As A Christian Nation? - Forbes

    The first alone should settle the question. The next part definitely settles the question.

    Definition of nation (n)

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    [ nysh'n ]
    1.people in land under single government: a community of people or peoples living in a defined territory and organized under a single government
    2.people of same ethnicity: a community of people who share a common ethnic origin, culture, historical tradition, and, frequently, language, whether or not they live together in one territory or have their own government


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    77% Christians do not think this country accurately reflects the values of their religion and moral standards. Sorry, try again.
    Source of your bupkus claim?

    Here's mine:
    In U.S., 77% Identify as Christian
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I didn't say naked. I said scantly clad which is legal. Also public nudity is 100% legal in new york.
    Scantily clad is governed by a specific law?

    And if I recall correctly, the public nudity laws in NYC aren't quite that liberal (100% allowed). I believe the laws only extend to a female breast (because of breastfeeding) and 100% nudity that occurs during an entertainment event (play, show, exhibition). But I may not be remembering that right.

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